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 Post subject: Barbarian Discussion
PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:15 pm 

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We can all agree on one thing: if you're a respectable person with a brain, you'll know barbarians are the best class ever conceived. We need more threads on them.

Seriously though, I'm making a ww dps barb just to see how it works. This version of HU is the first I've played.

Max BO
Max Iron Skin
Max Axe mastery (because axes are the coolest)
Max WW
rest into natural resist

Various other 1-pointers (find item, increased stamina, etc)

I just solo'd andariel at level 23 to get into A2 norm. My stat distribution every level is a strict 3 str/1 dex/1 vit. I plan on using a shield and an axe. I can somewhat twink him, I've got one character in nm who can run most trash mobs in normal (bonermancer) and I transfer stuff he finds off to other characters to help level (bloodfist, sigs, biggins and henceforth).

I have no plans for my end game. I'm just doing this to see how far I can go. I've got another lvl 51 barb who is kind of like a tank/dps hybrid, but he's stalled out because I tried being jack of all trades.

So far I haven't run into any hiccups, just the lack of an AOE early on makes leveling painfully slow early on (I usually solo in 8-player games if I can't find a party).

With a limited propensity to twink myself and an inherent newbish experience in this game, any tips or advice for me as I level up?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:19 pm 

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you should consider maxing inc stamina as it raises your health points not just stamina ...with only 1 point a lot of life is left behind


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 Post subject: Re: Barbarian Discussion
PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:21 pm 
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No max Increased Stamina? That gives a very large life boost and I would think it would be more valuable to maximize over Iron Skin.
I am also not sure you will need so much in Dex, there are plenty of other ways to get attack rating in this mod in my opinion.

For AoE, consider an A1 or A3 merc. A3 is more powerful in clearing, but an A1 merc can provide you with some potent curse support with her bow. I like using witchwild string early on and then swapping over Holy Tears (30% ctc lvl1 decrep) when I get the runes for it. You could also go with Wrath for the constant life tap, but honestly I am not that big of a fan of life tap. Another great option is Brand for the 30% ctc lvl5 Amp.

I am finding the Immolation Arrow A1 merc a rather interesting one with my Healer Paladin. Since I can tank and keep things parked in a patch of flame, I wonder if she will actually be able to do some serious damage, especially since I can keep her alive with prayer. With a strong BO, you should be able to do a similar thing.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:26 pm 

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what should i sacrafice for increased stamina? I'm gonna try an a3 merc


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:46 pm 
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iron skin, just 1 point will be enough. increased stamina is a barbs bread and butter so to speak.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:12 pm 

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I have just started playing A Barbarian, but I have never played one before! My party needs a good tank so I thought the barb would do a good job if built the right way.

Any advice on what skills to avoid as a primarily barb tank? or better still which ones best complement Increased stamina, Iron skin & Natural Resistance.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:58 pm 
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dex is useful if you are going for max block, but the amount you need isn't that much and barbs get -50% block speed. Assuming your going for spiritward with 3x Ether stones, I would go into single player and test how much dex you really need.

For attack rating get some godly +120 AR gc's. (or any +ar charm).

'Steel Grand Charm'.

Those things are manly

edit -50% block speed

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:00 am 

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from my experience in diablo, as a barb u need dmg/defense/life leech/resistance/ life pool in this order.

if u want to make a classic ww barb u should use this skills:

+20 ww
+20 weapon mastery
+20 bo
+10 shout ( is good for a better duration, and for the party aswell)
+10-15 Iron skin
+1 natural resistance
+1 to X stamina (only in HU)
+1 increased speed
+1 bash
+1 stun, concetration, leap, leap attack
+20 berserk (is a must have in HU, for the 1% magic dmg/lvl on ww)
+1 taunt
+1 Battle command

as for weapons there are only 2 choises, 1st choise sword's, second choise spears, all the other weapons have a lack in range. I prefer to have range 4 to 5.
As secondary weapons use throwing weapons. Throwing weapons with amplifie dmg are pure ownage when u switch to ur main weapons.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:19 am 

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also i have a question, how much critical strike u can get only from weapon mastery skill? Atm at lvl 23 it says it gives me 50% chanse to make a critical attack.


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 Post subject: Re: Barbarian Discussion
PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:30 am 
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Rasta wrote:
dex is useful if you are going for max block, but the amount you need isn't that much and barbs get -50% block.


No they don't, they get -50% block speed.

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 Post subject: Re: Barbarian Discussion
PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:28 am 

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in ww dosent matter ur block speed.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:53 am 
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also i have a question, how much critical strike u can get only from weapon mastery skill?
50% is max. Bonus is from hard points only so you must put 20 points for it, after you have it maxed, every +skill from gear gives you more ar and dmg only.


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 Post subject: Re: Barbarian Discussion
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:01 am 

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the berserk sinergy wich gives 1% magic dmg when u ww , whorts spending points in the skill ?

Atm i have it lvl 12 or so and i still cant kill bosses in hell :D

And what exactly does? It converts x% from ur ww dmg ? How this sinergy applyies?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:30 pm 

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i really dont think u will ever kill a hell act boss w a barb


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 Post subject: Re: Barbarian Discussion
PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:06 pm 

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i didnt understand the part with the blockspeed while ww. Can someone say it in other words?


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 Post subject: Re: Barbarian Discussion
PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:46 pm 

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imo I wouldnt roll a barb, you will be useless in hell for bosses :) you will do fine on trash, but if you want to be great all around just roll a psn javazon


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 Post subject: Re: Barbarian Discussion
PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:46 am 

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blockspeed while you are in ww is max and is not affected by items.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:49 am 

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I roll a barb and my char is useless against bosses, i cant harm them. Is a shame this mod dosent give a chanse to meelee chars. Heh anyway u can poisen them, i dont mind, but do something with the psysical resist issue. Is really annoying seriously.


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 Post subject: Re: Barbarian Discussion
PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:15 am 

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What did u mean with block speed is max. 0 frame or 1 frame. so when i block while i ww and i got 12,5 attacks per second, can it be that i do lower attacks when i block for exable 2 time while i am ww? or even when i block 100 times per ww i still have 12,5?


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 Post subject: Re: Barbarian Discussion
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:47 am 

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mate, if u have 12.5 attacks/ sec u cannot block attacks with a shield because u dont have a shield, u have 2 freacking sword/axes/blunts.
If u have a sword and a shield, ur blockspeed in ww will be the maximum u can have because is not affected by items. If ur out of ww, the blockspeed will be affected by items.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:03 am 

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sorry yes i mean 6,25 in snej it was 12,5. but u dont understand my question. i mean what do u mean with max blockspeed. 0 frames or 1 frame. if its more than 0 frame, the blocking will slow my atack speed. under 6,25.


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