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Author:  muleofal [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:08 pm ]
Post subject:  wolf fury attack speed
is it still possible to reach 2fpa fury in HU? would that be even viable or just too much of a sacrifice to make?
Author:  blue_myriddn [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: wolf fury attack speed
I know you can reach 3fpa and it is pretty powerful. Not sure about 2fpa though as it should require 231% for a 3/2/2/2 on a -10 polearm and I am not sure you can hit that or not.

Definetly worth it though - speed is all powerful.

You can hit 2FPA with a Fireclaws/Frostbite/Rabies bear pretty easily though and it is very powerful.
Author:  muleofal [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: wolf fury attack speed
yea 3fpa is something i will strive for no question.

i forgot to mention:

- im not using a 2hander on the fury druid. im jumping out of the cookie cutter of 2handed melee druids and trying to make him viable with a shield. so id probably use a faster base than a polearm (phase blade or beserker axe im looking into).

so yea, 2fpa is doable but might be a big stretch unless i can craft something sexy and quad socket it with uber thysts. im thinking this might be an idea, however to actually craft something sexy would probably require a lot of gold/time/farming. any other ideas for a unique to reach the 2fpa limit? i was thinking maybe the runemaster might help, but doesnt offer much else as a weapon.
Author:  blue_myriddn [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: wolf fury attack speed
1h weapons are generally slower than 2h weapons, so it is hard to hit the same breakpoints with them. Druid attack IAS factors weapon type in as well as base weapon speed - it is really quite funky.

Runemaster is pretty slow - I think that crafting or rolling a rare is teh only way you are going to see those insane attack speeds even with 1h. The Assasinator (lvl66 uniq sword) is pretty good with 80% IAS and 2 sockets. As is aldur's weapon. I have both on a mule if you end up wanting to give them a go.
Author:  PureRage-DoD [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: wolf fury attack speed
I always wanted to try a melee druid with 2 fpa, by utilising the speed of fclaws/fbite. Essentialy maxing, fclaw, oak, maul, lycan and werebear. Maxed fclaw for the ar but letting maxed maul boost my phys damage and ignoring the fire synergies. Charging maul and feral then using fclaw for a 2fpa, every now and then switching to maul/feral to keep them on me at all times.
Author:  muleofal [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: wolf fury attack speed
PureRage-DoD wrote:
I always wanted to try a melee druid with 2 fpa, by utilising the speed of fclaws/fbite. Essentialy maxing, fclaw, oak, maul, lycan and werebear. Maxed fclaw for the ar but letting maxed maul boost my phys damage and ignoring the fire synergies. Charging maul and feral then using fclaw for a 2fpa, every now and then switching to maul/feral to keep them on me at all times.


it sounds pretty awesome, but im not a big fan of melee elemental damage (rabies, frost/fire claws, poison dagger, vengeance)... i dunno, never liked the idea of them dealing damage in which a sorc or other caster could in much bigger numbers/to much bigger areas :?

do fclaws base their damage off of melee phys damage, or is it a set damage number like caster skills?

on topic, the other thing im always concerned about is the zeal bug (which applies to fury as well). then again, maybe a faster fury would make the bug less noticeable, considering its attacking twice as fast as a 4fpa fury.
Author:  blue_myriddn [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: wolf fury attack speed
muleofal wrote:
do fclaws base their damage off of melee phys damage, or is it a set damage number like caster skills?


set dmg.
Author:  PureRage-DoD [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: wolf fury attack speed
nah, the damage is skill damage. The only reason fclaw would be maxed would be for the attack rating boost to it as it is the only animation that can hit 2fpa (as far as i know). In essence it would be a maul bear who would use fclaw to deal 2frame attacks with maul beefing up the physical damage. Enter the 2 fpa mauler :shock:
Author:  blue_myriddn [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: wolf fury attack speed
PureRage-DoD wrote:
it is the only animation that can hit 2fpa (as far as i know).


It share the same animation as rabies and frostbite. I was able to hit 2fpa with Nedder's polearm that he made for his fireclaws druid.
Author:  PureRage-DoD [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: wolf fury attack speed
yeh, I think having rabies going off all the time could be a problem if there was ever a rabies druid teamed with you. hence fclaw suggestion. Fbite may even be better just to slow the target for you
Author:  muleofal [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: wolf fury attack speed
hmm, how much on-weapon ias would you need to hit 2fpa on fclaws, fbite, or rabies with a 1hander, lets say, zerker axe or pb? what about with fury with the same weapon bases? id like to do it myself, but im terrible at using those speed calculators...theyre so confusing sometimes. if anyone would help that would be great. assume no other gear ias, only on weapon. the numbers id like to know are:

- ias required on a zerker axe to hit 2fpa fbite/fclaw/rabies with a bear.
- ias required on a zerker axe to hit 2fpa fbite/fclaw/rabies with a level 20 wolf (not sure of the extra ias...ill check if necessary at home after work)
- ias required on a zerker axe to hit 2fpa fury with a lvl 20 wolf.

- ias required on a phase blade to hit 2fpa fbite/fclaw/rabies on a bear.
- ias required on a phase blade to hit 2fpa fbite/fclaw/rabies on a lvl 20 wolf.
- ias required on a pb to hit 2fpa fury on a level 20 wolf.

thanks in advance.
Author:  blue_myriddn [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: wolf fury attack speed
217% ias required on a zerker axe to hit 2fpa fbite/fclaw/rabies with a bear.
281% ias required on a zerker axe to hit 2fpa fbite/fclaw/rabies with a level 20 wolf
281% ias required on a zerker axe to hit 2fpa fury with a lvl 20 wolf.

207% ias required on a phase blade to hit 2fpa fbite/fclaw/rabies with a bear.
271% ias required on a phase blade to hit 2fpa fbite/fclaw/rabies with a level 20 wolf
271% ias required on a phase blade to hit 2fpa fury with a lvl 20 wolf.
Author:  muleofal [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: wolf fury attack speed
blue_myriddn wrote:
217% ias required on a zerker axe to hit 2fpa fbite/fclaw/rabies with a bear.
281% ias required on a zerker axe to hit 2fpa fbite/fclaw/rabies with a level 20 wolf
281% ias required on a zerker axe to hit 2fpa fury with a lvl 20 wolf.

207% ias required on a phase blade to hit 2fpa fbite/fclaw/rabies with a bear.
271% ias required on a phase blade to hit 2fpa fbite/fclaw/rabies with a level 20 wolf
271% ias required on a phase blade to hit 2fpa fury with a lvl 20 wolf.


jeez, the wolf is that much slower? weird.

anyways, thanks for the hard numbers.

might as well ask this in as well,... same situations for 3fpa instead of 2?...those numbers look a bit ridiculous for on weapon ias
Author:  blue_myriddn [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: wolf fury attack speed
I also did the number for 4FPA to save you some time. So it goes (4fpa/3fpa/2fpa) in the numbers below:

zerker axe fbite/fclaw/rabies with a bear (120/172/217)
Phase blade fbite/fclaw/rabies with a bear (102/162/207)

zerker axe fbite/fclaw/rabies with a wolf (138/172/281)
Phase blade fbite/fclaw/rabies with a wolf (128/162/271)

zerker axe fury with a lvl 20 wolf (91/172/281)
Phase blade fury with a lvl 20 wolf (81/162/271)
Author:  nedder [ Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: wolf fury attack speed
2pfa fury is impossible currently.

I have my doubts that 2fpa on bear actually "counts". It should be doing 50% more damage than 3fpa but most of the time it does no more dmg than using feral/maul, which are at 3fpa on my werebear.

The only difference is the fire dmg and AR and it seems harder to be interrupted when using fc/fb than feral/maul. I have a bad feeling that the extra 4 hits don't exist server-side.
Author:  blue_myriddn [ Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: wolf fury attack speed
That may very well be true - I also notice that if I toggle between fury and other slower skills that when I got back to fury it seems to hit more often. Could entirely be superstition or it could be like zeal where it doesn't hit every so often.

Extremely hard to really measure things in D2, that is for sure. Only real test I guess would be to hit an easy boss about 5 times with 2fpa and 5 times with 3fpa - FRAPS the battles and measure the time differences on average.
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