Keep in mind this is a WIP. I just finished putting everything in place and I have hardly tested this myself, so, be gentle.

Also keep in mind the numbers in this one are way different from 1.8-2.0. And a lot of gripes with 2.0 may not apply to 2.1.

Test stuff:
antidote + hp pot = 100% all pierce/50% extra dmg charm
Item in cube = uni + set
hp pot + mana pot = respec
you can tele through walls
tele lvl 1 req

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oloya91h3kl7tkh/2.1%20test%201.zip?dl=0


HPTable = 200,200,240,280,320,360,400,450
increased boss absorbs from ~15-20% to ~30-40%
increased boss PLR from ~40-50% to ~75-80%
increased minor boss skill damage multiplier from 375% to 1200%
increased major boss skill damage multiplier from 525% to 1700%

act boss hp multiplier increased from ~8000% to 30000% (like old HU)

fire/cold/lit/pois enchanted: 33% -> 20% res

spectral hit res: 20% -> 1% fire/cold/lit res

magic resistant: 40% -> 3% fire/cold/lit res (skips if monster is already immune)

manaburn: 10% magic res

stoneskin: 15% phys res

increased merc base hp by 50%

added NHD to monster bone spirit


moved the entrance to soulmancers plains to the drifter caverns in act5 (increased to a lvl 95 area in hell)

reworked unique charm and challenge tome stats:
normal challenge: +0.25% max hp per level (25% max hp at lvl 100)/ +10% mana
nm challenge: +0.25% max hp per level (stacks with normal bonus for total of 50% max hp at lvl 100)/ +10 mana
hell challenge: +1 all skills +50% enhanced damage +5% reduced curse duration

normal soulmancer charm: +40hp/+40mana/+5all res
nm soulmancer charm: +10 magic res/+60ar/+40hp/+40mana
hell soulmancer charm: +3 ele,magic,poison pierce/+60ar/+40hp/+40mana

nm samhain charm : +60hp/+60mana

The changes to the normal and nm tome challenges bonuses makes the hp% bonuses unique charms give more accessible. In 2.0 you get 40% max hp from unique charms but it is spread over 4 different charms that come from some tough bosses that are out of the way. Now they are lot more accessible on a normal play through. They also scale with level so you wont get a huge hp% bonus as soon as you complete them which would disrupt the difficulty curve of the game.

changed jav/spear stats bonus from 160%/80%;240%/120% to 150%/150%;225%/225%
reduced 2hand sword str bonus from 300%->225%
increased durability on weapon to 250
removed extra phys damage from facets (balanced tornado around not needing it)
removed charms from the gamble screen
reduced gold drops by ~80%
increased mana potions from 3 mana per energy to 10 mana per energy
reverted rune drop chances for high runes to 1.3 values (lower chance than now)
removed fcr from amn rune and added it to dol rune
tal, ral, ort, thul, amn give 2% pierce/1% extra damage to poison, fire, lightning, cold, magic
reverted gambling chances to 1.21 chances (reduced)
changed most non class sets to be better early game sets (check out web pages)
removed +1 all skills from elite caster helm and armor
reduced pierce/extra dmg on all ele crafts slightly
reduced leech on items/gems; weapons have 8% max other item slots have 5% max; uber skulls are 4%
removed pierce% from bows and belts
added hp% prefix and dr% suffix on body armors with 135+ str req and helms with 176+ str req.
removed self repair mods on ED% rolls
increased hell nihlathak rune drops to gul-cham but made him tougher
you can now upgrade rare items using the same recipe as sets/uniques
added +summon skill tabs affixes to magic/rare/craft belts
added oskill teleport to authority zod RW

changed act5 quest2 rune rewards to pul/um/mal


max res cap returned to 75%

increased merc hp
reduced levels of merc prayer

reduced starting hp on all classes to 10

Increased hp per vita on all classes:

Class hp/mana:
Barbarian: 5 hp per lvl, 10 hp per vita; 2 mana per lvl, 4 mana per energy
Amazon: 4 hp per lvl, 9 hp per vita; 2 mana per lvl, 5 mana per energy
Paladin: 4 hp per lvl, 9 hp per vita; 3 mana per lvl, 5 mana per energy
Assassin: 4 hp per lvl, 8 hp per vita; 4 mana per lvl, 5 mana per energy
Druid: 3 hp per lvl, 8 hp per vita; 4 mana per lvl, 6 mana per energy
Necro: 3 hp per lvl, 8 hp per vita; 4 mana per lvl, 6 mana per energy
Sorceress: 3 hp per lvl, 8 hp per vita; 5 mana per lvl, 8 mana per energy


general skill changes:
buffed dmg% and def% on all melee skills and passives
caster skills now require energy to scale damage to their maximum
each point of energy gives 0.2% spell damage
rebalanced summons to require more hard points to be tankier
reworked summon damage so dmg auras arent op with them
summons like golems/skeles/wolves/bears now show their base physcial damage and +enhanced damage they get from the skill. To calculate their damage use this simple formula: (base physical damage)*(100+enhanced damage)/100. Why make it this way? Skill description formulas are limited, so by providing the base damage and +damage% in the desciption you can get a completely accurate damage number for your minons by adding any damage auras into your damage calculation.
syngeries returned to skills

synergies:

magicarrow/inersight
cold arrow/slowmissile
fire arrow/slowmissile
exploding arrow/immolation arrow
icearrow/frozen arrow
disease spray/plague jav/poison jav
lightning bolt/slowmissile
charged strike/slowmissile
lightning strike/slowmissile
lightning fury/lightning bolt/slowmissile

firebolt/fireball/meteor
enchant/hydra
flamewave/firewall/blaze
icebolt/frozenorb
iceblast/frozen armor
frost nova/chillingarmor/shiver armor
blizzard/glacialspike
chargedbolt/tk
lightning/chainlightning
nova/ts/static

teeth/bonespear/bonespirit
poisondagger/poisonexplosion/poisonnova

bolt/prayer
hammer/foh
holyshock/res lightning/conviction
holyfire/res fire/conviction
holyfrost/res cold/conviction
sanctuary/conversion/conviction

warcry/battleorders/shout

poisoncreeper/rabies
firestorm/volcano/armageddon
moltenboulder/fissure/armageddon
fireclaws/armageddon
arcticblast/cyclonearmor/hurricane
twister/cyclonearmor/hurricane
tornado/cyclonearmor/hurricane
frostbite/hurricane

fists of fire (self synergy)
blades of ice (self synergy)
claws of thunder (self synergy)
cobra strike (self synergy)
phoenix strike (self synergy)
psychic hammer/mindblast
fireblast/wake of fire/wake of inferno
shockweb/charged bolt sentry/lightning sentry

amazon
ele bow skills reduced to 1/2 weapon damage
innersight and slow missiles are flagged as curses now
innersight buffed to -10 (-1 per 2 base levels) (-1 per 3 soft points)
slow missiles buffed to -15 (-1 base levels) (-1 per 3 soft points)
reduced max pierce% on Pierce skill from 75% to 66%
fend changed to 2/3 weapon damage aoe similar to stun

sorc
increased fireball radius by 40%
increased glacial spike radius by 40%
masteries changed to 1-20% with dimishing returns
hydra duration increases by 3/25 secs per level
icebolt pierces

assassin
added icebolt nova to blades of ice charge 3
reworked shock web to release mini novas on impact
reverted wake of fire to old version, it causes counters
reworked inferno sentry to shoot projectile like immolation arrow
blade sentinel reduced to 1/4 weapon dmg
increased NHD on blade sentinel from 6 to 10
claw block= 5% + (base level/2) + 1% per 7 base dex, 50% max claw block, 5% FBR per clawmastery base level
claw mastery gets 15% def per hard point in any MA skill
deathsentry increased to 5 shots
increased speed on cobra strike nova
added kick damage to BOS for hard points in dragon flight

druid
increased oak sage hp to 120+20
armageddon and hurricane no longer stack
buffed volcano, fissure, molten boulder
reduced volcano NHD from 10 to 7
arctic blast reworked to be like inferno
firestorm now has a NHD of 5 frames and causes counters
removed life on strike synergy from SOB and added PLR
increased shockwave range

necro
amplify damage changed to -10 (-1 per 2 base levels) (-1 per 3 soft points)
lower resist changed to -25 (-1 per 2 levels)
added phys damage back to golems
reduced golem elemental damage

paladin
increased prayer hp bonus to 10 per level
added 1 magic pierce per blessed hammer base level to concentration aura
increased pierce on elemental holy auras from 5+1 per 4 levels to 5+1 per 3 levels
conviction changed to -25 (-1 per 2 levels)
vengeance nova increased to 2/3 weapon damage

barb
increased battle orders hp to 120+12
frenzy increased to 6/5 weapon damage
double swing converts 50%+3% per level physical damage into magic damage
stun aoe increased to 2/3 weapon damage and added 0.2 second stun
added -phys res to grimward

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Thx for the Patch.

I will do some tests when i get home.

n/a

Shock web being on a timer is not going to balance it. It will kill light traps.

The problem is that web doesn't always hit a target. A vast majority of the time, when one clicks directly on a target, the web spikes will lay outside of the footprint of the mob you're targeting. This especially occurs on small mobs like lazarus.

The idea is to lay spikes out and hope to get 1 or more spikes to actually hit... By giving it a timer, it will make it unusable against small sized mobs. Frustrating as is. I don't think it's very logical to have a damage based skill that will consistently do no damage to a target that is not immune to it.

Also, intellect now scales skill damage? What is the logic to that?

Needing energy for caster damage is to balance melee hp and caster hp. Melee always need to dump more stats into str and even sometimes dex depending on the build. So melee would be like 100 base str and maybe some base dex while casters can just do 50 str or maybe even less and just dump vita and wind up having more hp than melees.

It's open for change and I could remove it in a couple minutes. Or maybe drop it down from 100 to a lower number? The alternative would be shifting more power into rubies, which would just force everyone to use rubies in armor/helms.

Edit: About Shock Web. I can change it to something that hits reliably.

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I like the idea of energy having a purpose. It should scale better beyond 100 too, maybe 0.4% or 0.5%.

I also think shock web should have been changed as I mentioned a few days ago into something like the old swirly static (I believe mephisto and baphomet use this skill now) because Mud is right, it's cancer to get it to hit the target, it tends to just land all around the target and do nothing but make buzz sounds.

My save files are up for people and I'll get to testing now.

I changed shock web to release mini novas on impact. It's pretty cool looking. I'll polish it up and upload an update later.

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For some reason I'm getting bad inventory data when I try to use a sorc with cheat charms, even if I create a new character, but every other character works. Any reason why this would happen?

Sometimes edited items don't work well with HU. Try separating the cheat stats you want on different charms.

Or create cheat items by edited the txt files.

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I updated the download link with the new shock web. Damage may need to be adjusted. It seems to hit 3 times on one target per cast.

The only problem is that its so cool, fireblast seems left in the dust.

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It was the energy charms to test damage scaling, i had large charms with 50 energy. Any idea what would be safe to put energy on to test this?

No value of energy seems to work when you add it to items by hero editor, just use stat points to test it.

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Ya I just came to that conclusion too, lol, will do.

Can you make some kind of cube item that adds magic pierce/dmg? A ring would be okay to give up for testing, like a ring+id scroll in cube gives you a ring with end-game values of magic pierce/dmg? If I put it in then it won't be there in your future edits so you have to do it.

antidote + hp pot = 100% all pierce/50% extra dmg charm

updated link

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Oh that's no good because it doesn't work with my cheat charms lol, needs to be magic only :>

That's okay I'll edit the cheat charms and reupload that.

Or, diamonds...

It's a pretty huge change, which is odd to me, since this was said to be a throwback patch.

I don't think you mean melee hp vs caster hp, there are also caster/melee builds, I think you mean physical build's hp vs elemental hp. Players that invest in str, normally acquire items that offset that loss with +life, pr, dr attributes... but, that isn't the issue.

The major issue with this is, that physical glass cannons have something the other glass cannons do not. It's life leech. If casters could sacrifice vit for lifeleech on their spells, they would. Instead, they're forced to inflate their life/mana pool at all costs, so they can stay alive. If you're going to "balance" stat allocation, then you should provide life leach for all skills.

Elemental melee builds like holy auras, fire/frost claws and MA skills don't need energy to scale.

Anyways, it's just something I wanted to try out but I'm not a huge fan of it after playing around with it. I can remove the requirement for energy but keep the energy synergy bonus on elemental skills at a much lower %. So any energy you do have isn't useless.

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Was I supposed to paste this over 2.0? In any case the energy changes are dumb, and it's going to really dick max block caster builds.

Also nado is showing like 50k-25k damage, seems wonky.

Yeah just paste over 2.0 I just reverted the energy changes. I'll upload a new version soon.

Edit: fixed tornado wait for next update

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All skills tested at level 55 with 100 energy, 50% mastery and 100% pierce

General things:
-Can you please fix the spelling for starstone and moonstone sapphires?
-Why are bosses chain-curse spamming? I'm getting cursed like 5 times per second.

*I have not tested how summons perform in boss fights yet, that will come later. Will also test effective melee on bosses later. For now this is a rundown of all other skills*

Assassin:

*Why does Burst of Speed say it benefits from Energy?*
-Wake of Inferno is a little weak, considering its radius and what it does, even if you can stack fires under the target. A 10-15% buff would do well for this
-Shockweb damage seems ok for now but wondering if you could reduce the amount of spikes and increase the damage to compensate, since this skill is a counter cancer and completely unusable vs bosses. Perhaps lock it at 5 spikes for all levels and increase damage by 30%.
-Psychic Hammer is terrible and needs a 100% buff
-Mind Blast needs a small buff
-Blade Sentinel is still super huge because of how it gets Venom and the double strike crits. Reduce to 1/5 weapon damage and slightly reduce the skills' damage mods.
-Phoenix Strike sucks compared to the other 3 MA eles. The damage values are less than half, needs a huge boost.

Druid:

I really like the new Arctic Blast :O
*Poison Creeper is a self synergy, not sure if you intended to link with Rabies or not*
-Poison Creeper is a bit weak.
-Tornado damage is backwards and fucked up, cannot test in its current state.
-Firestorm NHD seems too long, lower from 5 to 4
-Volcano NHD could be better if NHD was lowered from 7 to 5 or 6
-Fissure is super good and could use a 5-10% nerf to make it more in line with these other skills

Amazon:

Bow damage overall is too strong and all of it needs to be cut in half. This is super ez cheese mode right now. the values of ele shots all need nerfs and I also think the ED% cap for bows needs to be different than melee. 300% ED cap for bows and adjust the sets/rws/uniques accordingly. Also perhaps lowering the white damage of all elite bows by a few points.
-Magic Arrow needs the biggest nerf, with a 1/2 weapon dmg modifier like Fire Arrow has.
-Guided Arrow needs lower dmg gains and change MS synergy from 5% to 4%
-Plague Javelin only has a 2s duration? Why?
-Disease Spray is huge and may need a nerf 10-15%

Sorc:

-Firewall needs a small damage boost.
I actually like where everything else on Sorc is right now.

Paladin:

-Holy fire/freeze/shock auras are huge and need about a 25% nerf. 53k added to melee attacks at the moment lol.
-FOH needs a small damage buff, it's a bit gimpy

Necro:

-Teeth/Spear/Spirit are all way too strong and need 60% nerfs
*Why is Poison Nova only 2 seconds?
-Poison Explosion 433k damage lmao, needs a bit of a reduction there

Barb:

WC is fine, will test the rest of it later along with all melee and some more boss runs.

Just noticed you removed energy thing. I will check stuff again after the next update.

Keep in mind lvl 55 is like super endgame with all charms. Please test with slvl 40-48 ish

plague/nova have a short duration because they are for trashing since they have higher aoe but similar dps to "boss poison skills" If they had a longer duration then why would you risk going melee range when you can just use the longer ranged skills for bosses too.

Psychic hammer doesn't cause counters.

Shock web has a NHD and only 3-4 hits on a single target. Decreasing the # of bombs wouldnt change that unless its reduced to 1-2 bombs only.

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Ok that makes sense and I'll try around lvl 45 skills.

Yeah i just noticed. lvl 55 is super endgame with all charms. If we balance around that then casters without those charms would be weak. Testing with Slvl 40-48 would be more useful.

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I will wait to test until you post a new version without energy dmg% and see if you can do something about those crazy Amazons

Do you think ele amazon are OP because of the bow damage or the ele damage?

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Both really, its just super inflated for skills that go across the whole screen. You could go magic/inner/ice/freeze and just topkek through the game.

They do the same ele damage as sorc skills, so it can't be both.

and phys bow damage is the same as it was....since 1.2?...It never really changed over all those patches.

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That amazon would be Trash queen/curse support, sure. I wouldn't use that for bosses though.

Poison Nec would be easier.

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Yeah but look at fireball compared to magic arrow lol. Maybe it's just because of the ele mods. But GA with 900 dmg bows is really clowny and that's why I think it should be toned down.

Yeah, I'll reduce the weapon damage on ele bow skills. That's fine, but the ele damage on them is similar to sorcs. All skills across all classes have similar damage if they function the same.

And ele amazons don't really load up on dex/phys dmg% gear. So that 900 dmg bow doesn't go as far. You wouldnt even use a 900 dmg bow since you want BRC for pierce and skills on an ele ama.

50% weapon damage on ele bow skills seems fair, though. Ama gets a bit of extra damage and sorc gets tele/use of a shield. Seems fair?

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Since zon gets so much with slow missile / dodge / valk / more HP and their attacks all go across the screen and 7 fpa vs 8 fpc they just shouldn't be on the same level as a Sorc I feel.

Amazons also need 150 dex for BRC. Not trivial to get using "caster" gear.

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Updated link

1/2 weapon damage ele bow skills
fixed tornado
removed energy requirements for skill dmg

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@mud
I am not sure if i understand correctly, but i think a general idea is that a melee casters should never be as strong as legit melees. If a caster goes melee he has to accept his weaknesses. no?

For me double throw doesn't work at all

Vizjerei's Snare +1-2 to Fire Trauma (Class Only)

give rubies hp instead of vita

with pots now healing 100%hp and the old hp scaling high-hp-builds could be too tanky

slow missile as a synergy is a bit strange, since maxing SM is a strong option even without the added bonus

please add upgrading rares

add 1% fcr/hard point in jab/impale/fend to cast inner sight/decoy/valk in melee

Amazon as a mainly ranged char should have 7 hp per vita not 9

Well, melee has leech as Mud pointed out.

Amazons need high dex for javs/bows.

I wanted lightning amazons to be able to pick the skills they want otherwise it would be an 80 pt build, and all other builds are 40-60 pts only.

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I know that so far Ensley is the only one testing, but I think we should bare in mind that the same as with lvl55 skill, getting -100 pierce and 50% dmg boost is also rather a very very end game. I feel that any build tested with this will seem oddly strong.

Yeah lvl 40-48 is more realistic for a fresh char on a new play through. the 50% extra dmg/-100% pierce is easy to get once you hit act1 hell though. If you farm leo enough.

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Please add unique drops to normal leoric to make him worth killing more than once.

Then I would have to reduce the # of tomes he drops.

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double throw working normally after restarting d2.
it was a somehow glitched, he was throwing while walking and not doing any damage.

Any idea why skele summoner feels soooooo weak at this patch?

I'm playing one on current realm, and is nowhere near the skill lvl in the test files. On this test patch skele summoner struggles to clear A1 hell :-/

Currently one skele mage can 2 shot any trash in A1, while at test patch I could go eat my breakfast and it would maybe be done.

On this note, what starts will mages benefit from?

Poison tho in my opinions is waaaay to cheesy now. You can pretty much kill anything within matter of a minute staying safe through out that.

It is nice to get enough tomes for the whole party, i guess just leave it how it is.

Sets Decimation and Civerb's Vestments need replenish quantity on weapons

Testing all skills with level 45 and the power overwhelming charm:

General things:

*Purchasing the -100 energy/hp/DR% gear always only costs 1 gold and sells back for 1 gold...seems not right
*Andariel's poison damage is a bit overkill; there's nothing you can do without spam antidotes.
*I feel like the mana cost of skills is really high. It almost reminds me of 1.7 aka Mana Pots Unleashed.
*Life leech is too high. These items with 10-20% life leech are crazy and often allowing me to just hold down left click and watch TV. Melee is pretty faceroll once you get 40-50% LL...
*I tested all of the minions against bosses and didn't notice any cheese where you can just AFK while your pet fights, so good job on that.
*Is there any reason why you won't remove the NPC Slayer mod from trash mobs? It's super annoying =(


Amazon:

ele shots seem ok now. GA still does huge damage with 100% pierce and DS. I was able to murder Andariel without perfect gear or a lot of effort using 13k GA because of the re-hits.

Assassin:

-Phoenix Strike damage is still too low. Looks like an issue of the other ele MA skills having 30% self synergy, and Phoenix has 2%...
-Cobra Strike could really use a velocity increase on the nova
-Blade Sentinel is inherently flawed because it's unplayable without Venom, but with Venom, it's pretty good. This makes Blade Sentinel an 80 point skill, or 100 points if you want to use claws and crits. Blade Fury also suffers this fate but not to such a strong degree. I would suggest dropping Blade Shield as a synergy for them and replace it with Venom, but allow Blade Shield to still benefit from Sentinel/Fury on its own if someone chooses to get it.
-Fireblast needs a bit larger radius to make it worthwhile.

Druid:

-HOTW needs a big increase in damage%. It doesn't make much difference. It currently bumps my Fury from 34k to 36k with level 45 HOTW.
-Hurricane and Armageddon aren't good enough for 120 point skills that you could never actually cap. I'd cut out 2 synergies and give a huge boost to the remaining 3 synergies as well as a boost to the skill's actual damage. If you want to leave these as 120 point skills, the damage needs to be doubled, since that means you're living with no sage/grizz/cyclone/anything else anyways.

Barb - seems ok so far

Sorc - If you could slightly decrease the cast-to-impact fall time for Static and Meteor, that would really help a lot. Rest seems good.

Paladin - Holy fire/freeze/shock are still a little too good. Maybe reduce the built in mastery thing from 10% to 5%. Rest seems good.

Necro:
*Is there any way you could change the skeletal mages to all spawn as ice mages? It looks kinda derpy that all the different colored mages cast the same thing. Ice mages look close enough to the bone spears though.
-CE is super strong again, what for? 50-60 is huge. 30-40 would be better. But 150+ mana cost is cancer.
-Spirit Blade HP needs a buff, they are kinda bad.

grim ward causes monsters to flee, but skill descriptions says 'walk run speed -14%'

javelins don't show the quantity

How are mana costs too high?...They were higher in 1.21 to 1.5
typical lvl 48 skill is like 13 mana....


I'm removing those DR% / HP% rolls on items for now since energy as a requirement is being removed. I could add them back on high str req armors only I suppose.

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Updated link

reduced teeth/bspear/spirit dmg slightly
skele mages reverted to random ele
spirit blades dmg increase slightly
reduced CE mana cost to 20+1
reduced ce dmg to 30-40%

buffed all sorc skill dmg by 10%
increased max pierce from masteries by 5

reduced max pierce% on Pierce skill from 75% to 66%
removed pierce% from bows and belts

reduced leech on items/gems; weapons have 8% max other item slots have 5% max; uber skulls are 4%

increased NHD on blade sentinel from 6 to 10

reduced holy auras synergies by 1%

increased speed on cobra strike nova

increase HoW to 100%+15%

added rep quant to the set items

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You forgot the webpages =p

Why did you revert nec mages back to random element? ANy particular reason behind this?

Getting them to scale with the "fake" magic mastery stat was a headache I didn't want to bother with anymore so here we are. If I have more time later I could bother with it again, but for now they are fine as is.

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Which difficulty do you think andy poison is too much?

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In hell it seems to be 100 to 0 poison that lasts forever so you have to just antidote spam. I haven't tested lower level stuff.

Are you not doing anything about hurricane/armageddon/BFury/Bsent being 100 and 120 point skills? It kind of makes them unusable without dealing huge base damage. I've got 51k-63k Hurricane at lvl 44 with unobtainable 100 points in synergies.

40 pts in synergies at slvl 48 with 50% extra dmg does like 30k hurricane....thats more than enough for 60 pts. Are you crazy? That's going to 1 shot most trash with pierce.

Blade skills scale with weapon damage why do you think you NEED to max them?

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Those HP values seem a bit weird to me and imo too much.

Ama and Pal same ammount of HP?

Barb: 5 lvl / 8 vita
Pal: 4 lvl / 7 vita
Ama: 3 lvl / 6 vita
Assa: 4 lvl / 7 vita
Dru: 3 lvl / 5 vita
Nec: 3 lvl / 5 vita
Sor: 2 lvl / 4 vita

Something like this looks better to me and more balanced.

What's your reasoning for that? This patch has different scaling than 1.8 to 2.0.

Amazons need 150 dex for bows. Do paladins?

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Andy normal wasn't difficult. I played an amazon through to a2 and barb to a3.

Hell andy is supposed to be hard. Farm a Wisp and try it again with SoB.

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Please make double throw not use ammunition like you did with bow/crossbow skills.
Most builds require only one weapon, double throw barb needs four just so the replenish keeps up.

SOB doesn't add PLR ~

Hardcoded.

Ok I'll add PLR back to SoB

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Pal is more of a melee char then Ama is. And Pal has some str reqs. aswell for armros and shields i guess.

I mean 99% ranged char with same HP values as melee is imo wrong to me but ok. Even Pal can go caster route too obvious.

Can you double the replenish rate?

Jabber is melee? Melee amazon has str req + dex req. Ranged amazons have huge dex req.

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Nobody plays it like other bs melee chars like dagger necro for example.

But ok i got it.

Jabber BS melee? Are you serious? 3.5 fpa is bs? Fight me irl.

Just because 99% of players are meta slaves doesn't make other builds bad.

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There is no need to do it. It adds some diversity to the mages. Will be especially fun now, that there are no immunities.

Mages do scale with masteries and pierce of the player, right?

Yeah and they get 1% mastery from each point in skeleton mastery.

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Ranged amazons (phys at least) have high str reqs to wear gear that prevents being destroyed in 2 hits as well. It's a painfully small hp pool at the end. I'm glad you're keeping their damage consistently good, they have nothing else going for them.

You can give him an on death skill that spawns an invisible minion in DT mode. Give leoric regular drops and have his death minion drop the tomes.

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Jab throws out a fuckton of counters, does doody damage with a 1h, alright damage with a 2h but it requires you to remain static. This means you eat all the counters. Amazons have dick HP because they need high strength and high dex. I've tried it, it just hasn't worked in many patches, and in the ones it did everything facerolled.

After the removal of energy as a synergy a lot of the spell damage values went wayyyyy down.

Pierce is one of the key stats both physical bowas and elemental bowas need. Removing the ability to actually gain 100% kills the build. It shouldn't even be something you have to heavily gear for, it should just come naturally, but I see you've nerfed the values to dick levels. I've played bowa for an insane amount of patches, they're never faceroll strong, every fight is always a challenge because they're glass and they generate insane counters. 100% pierce needs to be obtainable.

A lot of the high end str armors are redundant. There should be tanky versions which have high defense and give MDR/DR, and DPS versions which give flat damage/ds/etc.

I made a new webpage list since the one you had in there was old.

I think you should put pierce back on skull belts and razortail since you lowered the value of Pierce skill. At ~30 (which is about the +skill a bowa would have) it gives 62-63%. There needs to be more ways to get it into the 85-90% range.

Time for item feedback:

Runewords:

Some of these are strange in that they have no real variance. Like BOTD has 485-500 ED? That's not exciting at all. Should be at least 450-500. Other items 175-200, 250-270...I don't know, not a big fan. I think most RWs should have that bit of gamble aspect to them.

Some of the RWs also still have 15-20% LL. Not sure if you intended to leave this on them or not.

These damages are enormous but since you beefed up boss HP I hope you're right. Desire on a sup GMB is 605% with +3max/lvl that's an 1131 damage bow at lvl 95. A BOTD CB would be 822 one-handed damage with 500% bonus vs demons and 600% bonus vs undead. A BOTD War Pike would be 2142 damage. That's OMEGALUL damage, and this need serious testing for bosses. I can't do all this testing by myself with RWs and bossfights on every class and all the hypothetical cheese gear scenarios.

Faith is terrible because it's only 300 ED and you don't need fana to hit 7fpa because Strategy already gives you that.

Sets:

All of these new ass-backwards sets are going to be hard to remember. Like Flavies no longer being a nub set...That being said, do you intend on sets having any value if upgraded or are they intended to just be something that fits decently for a small level range?

-Flavie's bow needs an ED% boost
-Arcanna's set will never be used because the entire set only gives 1 skill total. Anyone using wands will just shop white wands to get +3. The wand should give +2 and the set should give +1 more. I also don't know why this is a level 10 wand set when Infernal is a level 17 wand set? Should probably just change Arcanna's back to a staff.
-Civerb's javelin could use either +1 skill or 1 more socket
-Aldur's needs poison damage/pierce again for gaybies builds
-Immortal King needs some magic pierce in the complete set bonus
-Tal Rasha's weapon needs 5% ele bonus
-Trang's needs more poison and magic pierce/dmg. 10 skills from 4 pieces is not great so the pierce/dmg needs to be dank.
-The Disciple seems fairly pointless. It's 5 pieces for +8 skills, no pierce, and 5% ele dmg. Not sure if this would be worn by anyone. Maybe add 10% all pierce to the full set bonus.
-Orphan's Call just says + Defense, seems geeked out like you skipped a tab.
-Hwanin's Weaken on struck chest seems counterproductive for the weapon's LR on attack. Maybe change the chest back to nova proc.
*I really like Sazabi's for pally/druid memes.
-Cow King hat has no sockets, feelsbadman
-Elemental ring set is too bloated and will be something everyone and their merc has to use.
-Can Corsair set get oskill tele?

That's all for now, will check other things later.

updated original link

reduced all psn dmg by ~20%
removed life on strike synergy from SOB and added PLR
hydra duration increases by 3/25 secs per level
reduced lifeleech on RW weapons to max of 12%
made rw ed% have more variance
reduced dmg/lvl on desire by 1
increased all skills on faith to 2
buffed endgame class sets a bit +1skills +10 all res across the board
added poison pierce/dmg to aldurs
increased magic/poison pierce on trangs by 5
added 15% pierce all to disciple
fixed orphans def
added 5% ele dmg to tals weapon
replaced hwanins weaken with nova
added sockets to cowkings
nerfed ele set a bit
increased flavies bow ed
added pierce attack to death belts and razortail

I'm not going to buff early sets anymore. They have the purpose of being cheap and easy to gamble to get you started. They shouldn't be strong enough to carry you into hell. Although, I was pretty generous with them and they already are very strong.

You can use tarn helm and a +1 skills shield with arcannas unlike infernals.

And keep in mind high runes are going to be less common than they are now.

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Poison Strike is geeked out. The min is higher than the max.

Can you make another recipe that creates a charm with -99% vendor cost? This would really help with gems and stuff.

Can we make con ring great again? Remove vit/energy, add 250 life and mana, jack up the str/dex to 40, jack up the resists to 75. They're like the rarest item in the game and they're useless. A caster version should exist with +2 to skills and shit too.

Can druid shockwave get a range buff similar to sorc's inferno or druid's arctic blast?

It's real hard to get realistic tests when you can't easily acquire charms, consider adding a recipe(health pot = dmg/ar/life sc, mana pot = life/res gc).

Put 10% pierce on all quivers, set the pierce passive to be 65% at 20 hardpoints(softpoints do nothing), and make deadly crafts, razertail, nosferatus, and a choice early belt have 25% pierce. 100% pierce is mandatory.

Jack up/add flat damage values to high strength armors like veil of steel, tyraels, steel, coa, the new adamant helm, steel rends, etc. Melee feels real weak.

Virtually every zod runeword that is melee based needs high max/lvl because they're going to miss out on 240% ED and not be viable options over a craft or rare.

100% pierce GA is incredibly strong and shouldn't be available starting at lvl 20.

Your suggestions would be way overtuned. Might as well add 40% all absorbs to facets again.

A better solution to rares/RW balance would be to remove self rep mods on ED rolls. Make it hard to roll a good eth rare now and shift more power into RWs, but a good rare will still be higher dmg. As it should be.

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I started a melee playthrough with a sin using dragon claw. Here is my first feedback (with 1st version):

- First of all I'm using the test files with 1.5 core files. Is this right?
- Respec potion doesn't work. This made me questioning that previous point is right.
- Text sais dragon claw is synergized with energy. It's not, which is ok, it's just text.
- Skeletons in stony field get one shotted by anything including minion bosses.
- Phys resist on fade stopped increasing at 2%. I already have 10 hard points in it.
- The Centurion Hard Leather Armor has -50 Energy that just disables skill usage.
- WW on any mob is deadly. More than 1 Berserker can kill you in a sec, not to mention Dark Elder's pack in Lost city.
- Bash damage is a little too high (over 50% hp sometimes) on The Smith, considering he also have foh and the rock shower counter.
- Generally boss fights were ok well twinked. Summoner up next.

Use 2.0 base files and paste 2.1 over it

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will the saves from the previous official version work with this one? (i guess not?)

Nope

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You mentioned pierce, but what else specifically would be overtuneed?

Chase endgame gear? This is what keeps the people playing after they down key bosses. See how 2.0 is dead?

Melee gear that pushes them into the realm of viability? Every melee I have tested struggles against champ packs much less bosses.

Zod runewords being decent? You act like rolling a rare takes more than 20 minutes. You act like nerfing 100m runs to 20m runs hurts anyone but the people not specifically making a gf character.

100% pierce is not even broken. It’s a mandatory stat that determines the viability of bowazons on the current patch.

Shockwave having more range? Remove the stun if you have to, warcry already has it.

I made two completely bis bowazon, one made for durability and one made for pure damage. The vit version couldn’t clear tundra wp, the dex verison had 1k hp and could barely even function.

I am not sure how asking for buffs to make sure an entire genre of playstyle(melee) isn’t unplayable for two patches in a row, or rarely if ever played classes(shockwave) get a little quality of life. Like we’re just testing, what’s the worse that can happen? Oh shit this is op, better remove it?

Nothing I actually stated was even equateable to the literal godmode 50% sorbs, but even in that patch it wasn’t as fucked as 2.0 where I killed baal in less than ten seconds. Where my summons perma tanked everything in the game. Where you literally couldn’t play a melee and be successful. The height of poison zons couldn’t hold a candle to the fucked dps sins had this patch.

You tested melee on 2.1 and struggled? lol

I increased SW range, wait for update.

You keep talking about 2.0. Why? this is a completely different patch. Please test baal on 2.1.

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download link updated

increased range of shockwave
removed self repair mods on ED% rolls
increased max pierce % on amazon Pierce from 66% to 75%
fend changed to 1/2 weapon damage aoe similar to stun
adjusted monster/boss spell dmg

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Praise jesus.

Struggled? I suppose it requires a definition first. I struggled to kill trash, running through ancients way and whirlwinding yielding like 10-15 passes before a single pack of mobs dies. This would be fine if I was in leveling gear, but I'm in legit BIS endgame gear.

50k*2 frenzy with 100% DS barely scratches bosses, I have a sneaking suspicions that the visible damage was CB and nothing else. I don't see a progression melee being able to do anything at all. No trash help, no pocket boss killing, nothing but a walking aura for paladins, BO for barbs, spirit for barbs, sins don't give anything.

We plan on running a normal playthrough later today, I'll let you know how zon pierce/SW changes go.

I just put on basic 95 gear with no sockets and no charms and no rings and a non eth executioners justice and im killing trash in 3-4 stun hits.

exejustice is like 1k max dmg something like eth WH is ~2k max dmg

and I just took baal down to 90% hp after a few seconds of swinging from a non eth doombringer 1 handed with no amp

just did the same thing with NO cb and non eth executioners, probably the weakest 2h

edit: and in the no CB test i wasn't using any gloves or boots

WW isn't good for trashing anyways. Its a single target skill. Stun works better for trash. Seems like you just aren't experienced with melee.

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/292743276

EDIT: Stun clears similar speed to WW.

Stop using WW vs packs like a noob. Use stun. This is a serious case of l2p. You don't even have amp.

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Stun clears @ similar speeds.

Amp? Didn't realize we made amp necessary again.

It's not necessary but why would you not use it? You're so retarded. LOL

Do you play casters without pierce?

You can't expect me to take any feedback from you when you play like a clown.

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My barb:

Hell andy no amp using conc 2:40 kill time

Hell andy lvl 6 amp using conc 1:30 kill time

less than a belt of pots each time.

ancs way trash dies in 2 stuns

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Why would I not want to look at baseline damage? Who knows.

Play like a clown? I guess clowns can kill hell baal in a week of sporadic playing on your 'years in the making' patch. A patch which replaced a superior patch. A patch which melee isn't even playable. A patch where hell baal dies in sub 10 seconds to progression geared players. You couldn't even get out of normal.

I'll say it again - stun is fucking garbage, and that's with 20 points in it.

Still talking about 2.0 for some reason. This is a completely different patch. Hell baal in a week with a team is actually pathetically slow. Are you trying to brag?

You can kill bosses without amp. Well, maybe YOU can't.

My barbs stun does 27k.

I'm just going to start ignoring your posts. Your feedback and arguing with you is a waste of time. You've always been a whiny noob that complains about EVERYTHING and even after all these years you still are.

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What's that stuck in normal? You don't know how to balance things? I already knew that.

Post your barb save file.

Yep I'm that whiny kid who dicked all over your BEEN BALANCING IT FOR YEARS PATCH you threw a fucking fit to replace 1.9 with.

ANYWAY, I think the radius of innersight and Slow Missiles should raise by level to make it on par with Necro curses. 10 yards is poopy.

Shockweb needs a nerf. Even against bosses, the NHD and counters aren't enough. 78k is too much at only level 50. 20-25% nerf.

Salvation has An Evil Force tooltip. Also it needs to list how the abs scales that it gives. I guess it's 1 per 5 hard points but not listed.

Cloak of Shadows has a derp synergy tooltip

To be fair we killed hell baal in 3 days, and that's within 3 sessions of moderate play because none of our work schedules align. We actually went back to help ensley remake his char 3x and catch him back up, even doing that we missed out on the first kill by a few hours so before you insult all of us maybe slow the roll a little ok? Keep your problem confined to arguing with each other.

Ok

Shockweb was a hitshift typo, its supposed to be 1/3 fireblast dmg, fixed.

Ok

Ok

Thanks Ensley. You're one of the few people giving useful feedback instead of playing poorly and demanding buffs to make up for that fact.

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You literally played about 50 levels on a Bone Nec before you found out how OP Shock Web/Wake of Inferno Sins were and you made one of them. You used a completely brain dead, OP char to cheese your way through the game and are crying about how unbalanced the patch is? Seriously.....

Edit: and that was with a legit group of 3 you guys had... The SW/WOI sin can pretty much solo the game alone and you had a legit group of 3... Your cheese char, a Phy Bowzon and a Cold Sorc and you're going to sit here trying to brag about cheesing your way through the game? LMAO

Just ignore him. He has always been a complete douche that acts like he's better than he is but is actually terrible at this game. Should have put him on ignore years ago. His comments are always useless drivel and snarky remarks.

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Never mind. Goodluck to everyone still in HU, going to take a break from this and hope it improves in a few patches.

Using as much of 1.7 files in 1.8 and 2.0 was a mistake and resulted in imbalanced patches. I admit my mistake. Try 2.1.

I stopped in normal because I would rather spend my time making 2.1 so we have a better patch.

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original link updated

stun aoe increased to 2/3 weapon damage and added 0.2 second stun
vengeance nova increased to 2/3 weapon damage
fend aoe increased to 2/3 weapon damage
increased hell nihlathak rune drops to gul-cham but made him tougher
misc. monster balance

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No surprise stun just got a buff since it’s barely faster than ww loooool.

Maybe look into that useless synergy every barb melee skill has.

And yes I gave bone necro a try, it was a walking curse bot, why bother? We needed a boss killer so I made one, you act like this is a bad thing. At least I am not stuck making a2 public games waiting for someone to carry me through.

You can't even kill Hell Andy on a hacked lvl 99 and you're still talking?

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The music is screwed up now in all the boss rooms, it's just looping the dead-boss track.

Can't? Didn't want to hold left click for 5 minutes is more like it. When you get stuck in 2.1 is your excuse going to be it was rushed or you wanted to work on 2.2?

lol funny.

Anymore feedback on 2.1, anyone?

@ensley ive been using the no music version for the test patch

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I'd swear the music was working for me last time. I'm not done yet, will be soon.

I did a run of normal on a barb and adjusted bosses as i went to make sure they aren't too strong or weak. Since monster skills scale with level then it should be balanced in NM and hell too. Now I'm working my way through again on an amazon.

It's getting close I think.

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are u going to keep the HP regen on trash?..

Which ones? I haven't noticed any regen on trash since they all get obliterated by anything.

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I did a shit ton of testing of most skills on all classes for several hours using real gear and different areas/bosses.

Conqueror Crown requires lvl 86 so the lvl 80 listing of IK is wrong, it requires 86.

All summons need a small boost in survivability vs bosses. Currently they all just die instantly regardless of level. If you could slightly lower the boss multiplier on them it would be nice.

Most of these bosses are insane and because of that, some skills need some help. Some of these skills are already "good" vs trash, but need more beef for not just major act bosses but also for how they do vs lesser bosses, uniques, and big champions (like berserker and marilyth champions.)

Skills that need small boosts:

disease spray
poison javelin
lightning bolt
cold arrow
freezing arrow (radius only)
exploding arrow
immolation arrow
shock web
blade sentinel (reduce NHD by 1 or 2)
fade (2% more base DR)
wake of inferno
raven
maul
motlen boulder (phys dmg)
volcano (phys dmg)
holy bolt (heal amount)
sanctuary (magic damage bonus it has of 10%, to 15%)
teeth, spear, spirit all need a lesser, tiny bonus
firebolt
meteor (burn damage)
static
thunderstorm
lightning
ice bolt
ice blast
glacial spike

Skills that need nerfs:

magic arrow
oak sage (def% bonus)
cyclone armor (def% bonus)
charged bolt
telekinesis
charged bolt sentry
wake of fire

That's all for me, I'm really tired now, lol. I'm confident that with this there is no uber OP boss dumpster skill, and that's all that really matters.

I think summons are ok. They survive well enough vs trash if you max them and distract a boss for a second. Being able to spam a summon on a boss to keep them locked down is something we should avoid. It's just lame and diminishes the value of having a tank. If you want to tank a boss then play or play with a tank.

I'll look into the other skills you mentioned.



Sweet. That was my goal. Although a properly geared melee will be a boss dumpsterer, as it should be.

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Updated download link.

Adjusted most skills ensley mentioned by ~10-15% increase or decrease.

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To give u accurate feedback. I started normally. lvl 1, normal mode, etc.
Just for the sake of testing i attack a monster and see if it regens and they do. Now, whether it matters that trash regen life or not its debatable to be honest.
Yes, if u kill a monster with 1 hit, then it "doesnt exist"
BUT
If u come across a strong melee group and u are a melee class, hence meaning, u need to run back and forth to deal with the group then that regen can be very annoying. For example i came across a group of Giants (with boss). They deal big dmg and have huge HP. So i cant just stand there and fight the entire group, so i run back and forth trying to take them out 1 by 1 but the HP regen they have isnt helping at all.
I mean, if only a specific type of monster had HP regen (as a feature that fits that particular monster), i would 100% accept it, even if its those strong melee giants. But i noticed that the hp regen is a general thing on all trash.

Anyway. Do as u please

Get poison damage/open wounds or just get better gear/more levels. Problem solved.

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Any specific ones you didn't change?

Poison skills

edit: actually i buffed poison javelin a bit

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Fair enough

Damn you didn't improve Immo lol it seemed almost good and fun to play but a little bit weak. It's not easy to get 10 stacks on a boss because they teleport around and do so much clowny shit. It deserves more love!

Yeah but when you can stack it its really really strong and doesnt need a buff in those cases. You can use exploding arrow vs bosses that teleport a lot.

Plus amazon gets LR clone.

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I dunno, Blizzard is ~50k and Immo is ~3.5k x10 + some really low explosion damage, and it's a lot harder to get a boss to stand in 10 stacks.

I just looked at immo again. I thought the damage was higher than it actually is. I'm buffing it to deal similar damage to ice arrow as it was meant to be. (about 2.34 times what it is now)

updated download with immo change. try it now.

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