+1. i kind of yearn for the days when most all chars were viable. the non stop bickering and resistance to change here pretty much dooms any hope for a future patch.

haven't there been some good changes since then? wouldn't we be just tossing those out the window? What's missing from 1.21z that everyone misses? Can't we just change/revert those?

Also form 1.21z i miss my powerhouse farmer bow zon which now fully geared barely can get her own 1ppl tundra in 1ppl spawned game when back then with only mavina set i could solo 8player tundra ... Dont know what changed but i feel it badly.

I never played 1.21z so I don't know, but as a noob it gives me a headache when there's massive changes every time a ladder reset comes around and I feel like I just figured out the game.

From what I've gathered though, 1.21z sounds like b.net for melee except with ctc amp instead of life tap and there are new bosses. I like playing melee, but holding right click to kill a boss isn't my cup of tea.

Didn't vote since all I can do is theory craft on the subject, but I would lean toward just changing our current patch to meet whatever it is that you love so much about 1.21z. You say no progress is being made toward a new patch, but kev just opened a thread with modifications for testing. Pious and others rallied everyone together to make this patch happen, what is stopping that from happening again? We have more time to prepare, and less of a flame fest with Blue gone. Sounds like reverting is for nostalgia or out of laziness of not wanting to make a new patch

@kwikster So, a melee character 99 should not be able to solo Diablo or Baal, but its ok for a poison zon? Every char should have a fair chance IMO

Every char should have a fair chance IMO

@kwikster So, a melee character 99 should not be able to solo Diablo or Baal, but its ok for a poison zon? Every char should have a fair chance IMO

I just wanna see what happens with the vote. If its a one sided yes, then fine. If its a one sided no, then fine! I just want balance. Feels to me like people only want to buff melee 'just enough' to get it through.

If people hate melee, thats fine... dont play it. But lets not have it nerfed to the point where people who enjoy cant play it properly. If casters were nerfed to the point melee is now and they swapped positions, people would cry.

This is the art of balance! Let it all have a chance of doing well, so people can play what they want!

1.21z is much more in the ballpark with that.

As we saw in the transition from 1.21z to 1.3a massive changes have dire consequences. Which is why we are having this discussion yet again, it was there for 1.3a as well. The return of some cb/ds/res/dr to gear was the right move. The changes to amp and boss res were a step. Next step is another smaller change, then we'll be in the ballpark. I don't want to see a return to a smiter using a ber'd gris caddy and nec amp destroy a boss in less than 2 mins, where's the challenege in that? Yes, it used to happen with 40% cb and 80% amp.

I use a simple method to make creating the staff a quest that people actually want to do.
The ore in a2 should be changed to a blank unique carry 1 charm (diff one for each difficulty). Then when you create the staff, the ore is added as a second output but with a small bonus added to it (20 hp/mana in norm for example).
It can only be done once because there is no way to pick up another ore after dropping the first full staff and doing the recipe again for a second charm. The ore is already in your posetion (with 20 hp/mana because the staff has been made).

You can do the same thing with the council/flail quest.
People don't NEED to do it, they can skip it and just not get the charm, but they will be slightly weaker than those who actually do the full quest (choices)

@slappy I understand what you are saying man. I just feel like we will go around in circles again and again and nothing will come good of it. I simply want 1.21z back so that things are balanced again, thats the only reason

We miss curse progression form 1.21z we miss cb, we miss ress. .

Actualy it is hard to say for some pro players but we miss easyness and simplyness of 1.21z.

1 Skillers would be back .. So instead of them being lvl 60 make them lvl 90.
2 increase the diffaculty instead of 2 spawn to 4 or 5.
3 As for the new Rw's we should take a community vote for the ones that should be added and the ones that should be redone..
4 bring Ci back for the melee chars such as barbs droods but only at lvl 90 or better so that becoming ci is very hard to get..
5 Increase boss's psn res by 50ish %
6 flag all tps so your forced to do the quest