kwikster wrote:
Lee wrote:
These kinds of complaints do nothing for balancing. Kwikster you make no sense at all. First of all, you're playing a Frostbite/Fireclaw druid. The build you're playing while is a melee type of build it heavily relies on caster gear to be successful. In order words you're playing a caster in melee form with the benefit of much more life.
Now wouldn't it be awesome if such builds could also get DR and more ABS? Let's maybe say higher defense too? Wouldn't it be great if casters could get DR more ABS and let's maybe say again higher defense too?
The point I'm making is what you're complaining about is completely senseless. It's like saying Melee Fury druids don't get enough mana from gear to leech effectively so let's give melee weapons high energy.
Your build heavily relies on elemental gear as I will reiterate. The physical damage of your build is not going to be that high. No where near as high as a fury druid or a maul bear. Your gear is not going to be melee/phys based either.
A fury druid and Maul bear also have other sources of LL other than Feral because of gear.
The big picture here is this.
As an elemental type melee if you want survival like a melee you're going to have to make gear sacrifices. It's as simple as that. It's always been that way. Allowing you to have huge amounts of life leech just because you want it on a class that has never had it before doesn't sound too balanced does it?
You're going to need more justification for wanting LL on a build that doesn't even rely on physical damage ( meaning leech effectiveness is going to extremely weak without amp. Wait.. AMP? The curse you don't even need anyway ) I find it hardly believable that extremely high amounts of leech should be allocated to a build that doesn't even emphasize physical damage.
If you want more LL play a melee/physical build.
So I'm guessing a biter stands 1/2 screen away and throws spitballs? No, they are right in the bosses face just like any melee build. Any idiot knows that. Anyone with half a brain would know that crushing a viable source of leech for them will stop most from playing one. Why should they be differentiated in such a manner? They are a melee based elemental build which now has been nerfed on two front, one needed the other not necessary. I'm not saying I should be able to stand in hell Andy's face and not need pots, but I should be able to leech something back in nm at least which, without a total focus on gear to hit massive leech isn't viable. A fury druid will just max feral and no harm no foul. What's next remove all leech from the game? All I'm saying is rolling thru nm, I've seen a huge swing in number of pots needed since the change, yet I added more leech to the weapon. Go do hell Andy on your sp test with less than 30% leech and no feral. tell me what you see. Nerfing feral because of fury, hurts more than just fury.
You're missing the entire point. You obviously did not read anything I said as you highlighted one portion of my post and only responded to it.
You're just ranting without making any strong logical points. I haven't heard a single point that should be considered. Vengeance paladins also don't get impressive amounts of life leech. Any melee/caster based on elemental damage is all the same.
Your post is completely over dramatized. As I've said previously if you want true Melee based mods then play a Melee/Physical character. You could also complain about lack of DR, lack of defense and the list goes on but remember the character you're playing.
It is an elemental/melee based build which hasn't been nerfed at all. Life leech has never had any bearing on a elemental/melee based build. You again.. don't know what you're talking about. You again did not read my post at all.
Survival on a physical melee build is ALWAYS going to be much higher then that of a Frostbite/Vengeance/Fireclaw druid. ALWAYS. They are emphasized in one form of damage which allows them to be geared more oriented for survival.
Asking to balance elemental melee amongst melee/physical is never going to work. You can't accommodate physical mods to a elemental type character such as life leech.
It's not even just that. Life leech is much more ineffective on a character more geared towards elemental damage. I had 14-15k tops with a ETH valor weapon. That kind of weapon isn't even the best anymore. Now a phase blade is you're ideal weapon. Do you even know how to gear a frostbite/fireclaw druid? You won't be doing any or much physical damage at all. You're not going to be leeching jack shit with low physical damage especially in Hell.
I've even heard that it's possible the physical damage on frostbite/fireclaws actually goes towards elemental damage. Would require some testing but it may be correct.
I've played Fireclaw/Frostbear druids and life leech is not their problem. The problem is more closely towards gearing for AR while still/damage high. That's the main emphasis of their problem. Balancing them isn't on the table right now as the patch is ready for final release and a reset soon.
And you're playing a character that's more trash/fun based. Standing in a bosses face on a frostbite/fireclaw druid is not the most wise idea. Without any other tanks? Without a necro? It's just stupid. It's never going to work. You just don't have the survival gear of a true melee/physical. Which is why I reiterated my previous point. Make sacrifices in gear if you want more survivability. But trying to kill bosses on such a build is never going to work without 2ndary help or a lot of juvs.
I lost a 99 FrostBite druid with valor on HC trying to kill Diablo in Hell solo after my friend died. It was the most idiotic thing I have ever tried. I went down in fstorm/slight lag very quickly. These builds are not good on bosses without sacrificing some damage gear.
Being that Frostbite/Fireclaw are also 60 pt builds you're allowed to max Lycan and get more life than a physical melee. You also get cyclone armor and hurricane. Firestorm/Armageddon on fireclaw. They are more elemental/caster based. Always have been.
I'm not wasting any more time arguing with you. If you want to waste your time to reply go ahead but you haven't made many points here. It's in your best interest to actually read my posts and listen. Think reasonably and don't read bitterly and you'll realize what I speak on is true.
It's hard to disagree with reasonable logic if you're also a reasonable person.