SP BETA TEST 2nd Patch

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

First up will be the data folder zip since its just quicker. -direct -txt to make it work of course. I'll be making an internal mpq for download as well (just data folder's quicker).

Data Folder + d2game.dll + D2mod.ini zip: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36303857/data.zip

internal mpq + d2game.dll + D2mod.ini zip: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36303857/patch_d2.zip

d2game.dll: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36303857/D2Game.dll

2nd Test Patch Downloads (newest)

Data Folder + new char screen: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36303857/data%2 ... screen.zip

Mpq + new char screen: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36303857/mpq%20 ... screen.zip

non-MPQ files to go into D2 folder for fresh install (be sure to run d2modsetup to install mod after putting the internal mpq download and this download into the d2 folder): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36303857/Hell_U ... %20MPQ.zip

Ok... concerning the change log. If the number has a * to the left then that means the change has been confirmed good. If the number has ** to the left then that means there was a problem with that entry, but its now fixed on my end.

change log:

2nd Test Patch Additional Changes

*Note: also added a new boss (Soulmancer). He resides in his temple in the great void. To get there, you need to mix all 3 uncursed uniques and hell Samhain's charm in the cube and use the portal skill on the key you get (Cast at The Throne of the Dead)

*Note2: Soulmancer might be currently overly strong so HC beware... let SC take a crack first to check if HCers would be dieing in vain against an impossible fight or not.

Steel · **Joined:** Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:02 pm **Posts:** 1627

ekhm, ok, I believe it's still test, right? First thing I encountered - exp is 20x of normal values... leftovers?

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Ok... data folder with fixed exp values up. proper mpq for the internal version has finally been uploaded. All that's really left to be done is for Duff to get it applied.

Pious · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:29 am **Posts:** 533

good work guys!

Zikur · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:11 am **Posts:** 978

awesome work

GameLucky21 · **Posted:** Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:17 pm

Dl'd. So far so good. Definitely messed up my custom UI but already got that fixed. Thanks for all everyone's hard work.

PureRage-DoD · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:33 am **Posts:** 4291

remove the d2newstats.txt from the data folder before packing it. Thats a personal preference thing (users can make their own). if you want to make one to include in the patch, just follow the tutorial. (there is a link there to the required .dll and d2mod.ini

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

The thread viewtopic.php?f=25&t=4281 doesn't really have the original one you posted up. The char info screen dc6 you did appears to have fused not only into the data folder but the mpq as well. I'm wondering where the links for the original changed character screen you posted went, purerage.

--Double Post--
Scratch not finding it... had to search through an aweful lot of pages though to find the thread atleast.

PureRage-DoD · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:33 am **Posts:** 4291

click the link in that topic.

idk how the stat screen got in there, its not included in the files i sent (just checked the drop boxed folder). Must have came from another source (i gave it to some folks, but dont remember who now).

Just delete it from data/global/ui/panel (invchar6.dc6)

slappyNuts · **Joined:** Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:48 pm **Posts:** 1680

so wait, is this the patch? Or for testing?

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Ok... that finally cleansed the abnormal stat screen.

As for slappyNuts question... It is the patch. Just Pious wants to run it through a test phase of sorts to actually make sure it gets casters and melees more towards where they should be (all things considered it really is a huge change list with a lot going on). Also its to give people a shot at the new boss before the ladder reset prevents people from having a chance at him for a while (not sure if purerage set the new boss too strong or not).

PureRage-DoD · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:33 am **Posts:** 4291

He can't be too strong, its Soulmancer!!! He should have a skill that destroys you and your corpse too IMHO :evil:

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

I'll keep that in mind then as I tweak him to be barely possible. Thank heavens for dropbox keeping static links though when one does a file update. Right now i'm updating the mpq to have a normal stat screen again. The data folder is already updated.

PureRage-DoD · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:33 am **Posts:** 4291

Quote:

Thank heavens for dropbox keeping static links though when one does a file update.

Amen brother!

Edit: On a similer note, anyone interested in dropbox (awesome for providing download links to your own stuff or for photo gallerys etc),
use this link:
http://db.tt/Rnkh6LC

As a referal, I could use the extra 250 MB space per referral (I'm hosting a LOT of files from my dropbox already).

/shamelessness

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

And on that note the mpq download has been updated with no more odd stat screen. Everything should be in order now for testing.

Qwazym · **Posted:** Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:03 pm

this is gonna sound really nooby. but for single player how do you edit your chars to be level 95 ish with the items you want? to test the patch? or do you just have to level them and whatnot? and if its a hack whats the dl link

ty

stars · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:34 am

So is this single player only or is this live on realm?

Qwazym · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:41 am

stars wrote:

So is this single player only or is this live on realm?

as far as i know, single player atm to test things before they release it for further testing, then after a few weeks or however long, theyll do a reset.

stars · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:42 am

Qwazym wrote:

stars wrote:

So is this single player only or is this live on realm?

as far as i know, single player atm to test things before they release it for further testing, then after a few weeks or however long, theyll do a reset.

ahh lame alright have to wait 2 more weeks to play i suppose. extracted it and put it into the folder and it still says 1.03 and not 1.03b figured it wasn't there yet.

Wolfs · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:32 am

really nice but... why the necro swords got so nerfed??? this happened to CE.. and now you are removing the huge nerf because it failed, wich is awesome...

it dont make sense to me to give 2.5 seconds delay to the weakest summon, they will be dead way before you cast another. Give x3 health and i find it ok

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Actually the necro sword summons got slammed no where near as hard as decoy did. The problem with the necro sword summons is that the timer was so low a 1 point summon could pretty much lock down a boss's AI. I might consider easing the timer back to 2 seconds flat but there's no way even a flimsy summon is going to be allowed a 1 second timer since such a timer is so fast it might as well be no timer at all for summons.

--Double Post--
This 1.03 you refer to Stars.... does it happen to have a D2 Mod System to the left of it on the title screen where you choose mode? If so then that's something that would never be modded by us anyways since it's the version of the plugin that enables all the code edits. I honestly don't see anything resembling an actual HU version number on either the splash screen or the title screen.

Prescot · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:18 pm **Posts:** 187

Baerk there is a problem with updated data folder and mpq files. When i was using old files with char stats screen screwd up everything was ok. Now when i enter single player and either i want to join game with old char or make new one i got an error, i attach screenshot with it. Any ideas what is it about??

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Strange thing is the error hasn't even shown up on my side... I'll be trying to look into the cause though.

Prescot · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:18 pm **Posts:** 187

I'm using loader, and basicly thats all of modifications i'v done to my diablo 2. Now it isnt working no metter i choose data folder or mpq file. and before i downloaded new version with char stat fix it wos working just perfect.

Steel · **Joined:** Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:02 pm **Posts:** 1627

remove entire data folder/unpack a new data again. I have some old chars from 1.21 and 1.3 singleplayer and they work no problem on 1.3b

LockDown · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:44 am

Steel wrote:

remove entire data folder/unpack a new data again. I have some old chars from 1.21 and 1.3 singleplayer and they work no problem on 1.3b

This.

Prescot · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:18 pm **Posts:** 187

Steel wrote:

remove entire data folder/unpack a new data again. I have some old chars from 1.21 and 1.3 singleplayer and they work no problem on 1.3b

Does not help. Reinstalling mod does not help either. Always same error. Even UdieToo crashes when i try to load it.
None of this happend before i updated files to the newest ones

I dont use D2SE.
Edit.
When i revert files to this with messed up character screen everything works just fine.

Steel · **Joined:** Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:02 pm **Posts:** 1627

Code:

Assertion Failure
Location : D2Common\DATATBLS\DataTbls.cpp, line #2190
Expression : pbData
16:44:13.669  Stack bytes:
16:44:13.669  0018F808: 00000000 00000000 00000000 FEFFFFFF  ............ţ˙˙˙
              0018F818: 08300340 4BEDF56F 18F81800 96F1F56F  .0.@Kíőo.ř...ńőo
              0018F828: 08F81800 807FBE02 4AFEB502 807FBE02  .ř...ľ.Jţµ..ľ.
              0018F838: 606ABE02 8E080000 00000000 00000000  `jľ.............
              0018F848: 88FC1800 00000000 00000000 FC590807  .ü..........üY..
              0018F858: 3D000000 44415441 5C474C4F 42414C5C  =...DATA\GLOBAL\
              0018F868: 45584345 4C5C4432 4E657753 74617473  EXCEL\D2NewStats
              0018F878: 2E747874 00000000 00000000 5C145302  .txt........\.S.

You don't have additional char screen.
@Baerk - can you pack data folder with d2mod.ini without extra stat screen? So guys who previously had it, deleted data folder and unpacked 1.3b won't get that error.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Ok... the data folder zip now has a d2mod.ini without the d2newstats reference. Once putting the new ini in place I would recommend doing a couple d2modsetups to make sure the d2mod plugin is properly reset.

Prescot · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:18 pm **Posts:** 187

Baerk wrote:

Ok... the data folder zip now has a d2mod.ini without the d2newstats reference. Once putting the new ini in place I would recommend doing a couple d2modsetups to make sure the d2mod plugin is properly reset.

Make this note in the first post. Also add ini file to the mpq file, cos if someone have ini with additional stats and new mpq it gives this error also.

JnDmX · **Joined:** Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:28 pm **Posts:** 183

Prescot wrote:

Steel wrote:

remove entire data folder/unpack a new data again. I have some old chars from 1.21 and 1.3 singleplayer and they work no problem on 1.3b

Does not help. Reinstalling mod does not help either. Always same error. Even UdieToo crashes when i try to load it.
None of this happend before i updated files to the newest ones

I dont use D2SE.
Edit.
When i revert files to this with messed up character screen everything works just fine.

I had this problem as well with the updated stat screen. All i did was make a new shortcut for loader at put -direct -txt in the target line

Prescot · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:18 pm **Posts:** 187

JnDmX wrote:

Prescot wrote:

Steel wrote:

remove entire data folder/unpack a new data again. I have some old chars from 1.21 and 1.3 singleplayer and they work no problem on 1.3b

Does not help. Reinstalling mod does not help either. Always same error. Even UdieToo crashes when i try to load it.
None of this happend before i updated files to the newest ones

I dont use D2SE.
Edit.
When i revert files to this with messed up character screen everything works just fine.

I had this problem as well with the updated stat screen. All i did was make a new shortcut for loader at put -direct -txt in the target line

We fixed it already, just need to edit d2mod.ini file. Just everyone who update like me without editing d2mod.ini will get this error.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Ok... with this the graphical errors/bugs involving the char screen/inventory should be completely fixed. Both downloads are fully updated.

stars · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:11 pm

Baerk wrote:

Actually the necro sword summons got slammed no where near as hard as decoy did. The problem with the necro sword summons is that the timer was so low a 1 point summon could pretty much lock down a boss's AI. I might consider easing the timer back to 2 seconds flat but there's no way even a flimsy summon is going to be allowed a 1 second timer since such a timer is so fast it might as well be no timer at all for summons.

--Double Post--
This 1.03 you refer to Stars.... does it happen to have a D2 Mod System to the left of it on the title screen where you choose mode? If so then that's something that would never be modded by us anyways since it's the version of the plugin that enables all the code edits. I honestly don't see anything resembling an actual HU version number on either the splash screen or the title screen.

It's my splash screen that says D2 Mod System 1.03. Should it say that or 1.03b?

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

D2 Mod System 1.03 is something we wouldn't be editing in the first place. That's the plugin that makes all the code edit plug ins (such as the merc plug in) work. For absolutely no reason we would ever change it to D2 Mod System 1.03b or some other number unless we decided to use a new version of that particular plugin. The title and splash screens simply do not display the HU version period.

Steel · **Joined:** Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:02 pm **Posts:** 1627

D2mod system will be always 1.03 unless someone upgrades it

There are no notifications about HU current vesion in game. Make a druid and check HoW skill, it should have +1%dr on 1st lvl.

PureRage-DoD · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:33 am **Posts:** 4291

there is no d2mod 1.03b anyway, 1.02 and 1.03 are the versions available (1.03 was never actually released, but its required for realms iirc

Edit: ninja'd

Verb · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:30 pm

does downloading this and installing it make it work online? or does it only work offline until duff updates the servers?
I mean the skills online does say what they should do with the new patch but are they actually in affect?

EDIT: tried to cast HoW ingame with my dru and it did nothing to my dr % so I guess not

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

For now you can try the patch offline. We are going to have to wait for Duff for the patch to go live on the servers unfortunately.

Lee · **Joined:** Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:55 pm **Posts:** 895

I've been on vacation but this patch looks good so far. Thanks to Kevin,Pious, Baerk and the rest of those involved in building it. I know lot's of work and time was involved so appreciate your efforts.

Soulmancer · **Joined:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:21 am **Posts:** 224

There are quite a number of other files needed if you want this to be a stand-alone patch as opposed to an 1.3a -> 1.3b patch.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

I'm quite aware of that. This isn't going to be a true official patch yet. It's really going to need a test phase though since the patch was rather quickly done and it really needs to be double checked if the adjustments were the appropriate amounts. I guess I could make an other download link just in case someone is installing fresh.

--Double Post--
Alright posted up a zip with all the plugins.

Soulmancer · **Joined:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:21 am **Posts:** 224

Mine as well hold off on that until the testing phase is done.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Once the testing is done though I intend to make proper stand alone zips for either installing the mod either the mpq/plugin way or the D2SE way.

Steel · **Joined:** Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:02 pm **Posts:** 1627

well just switch patch_d2.mpq and d2game.dll from 1.3a package and upload it after you're sure its fine. IMO there's no rush if Duff haven't spoken so far.
For example you can still set missing flag in true tal rasha tomb - Act 2 - Lower Talrasha id 196, flag 13

Delta · **Joined:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:41 pm **Posts:** 223

Is there a link to the runeword changes?

-D

Zikur · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:11 am **Posts:** 978

your precious geddon was changed. only new ones though

Delta · **Joined:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:41 pm **Posts:** 223

Zikur wrote:

your precious geddon was changed. only new ones though

Lol it wasnt that precious to me. I am not Lee with a druid that is all firepower and huge life. I maxed lycan and he still has slightly more life and a ton more damage than me. I know his inventory is full of small 20's though which I don't have.
Someone said the patch would make infinity rw have convic as oskill instead of equip skill. Wanted to see if that was true.

LockDown · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:01 pm

Later I may have time to go through and compile most of the changed items into a list.

Pious · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:29 am **Posts:** 533

anyone who wishes to help test it please make sure you follow from the list of changes on page 1 and state whethert its ok and working or not ok. an example would be:

2. ber rune changed to 2% cb in weapons - ok

that will make it easier for everyone to know what has been checked and what hasnt been.

Pious · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:29 am **Posts:** 533

2:ber rune changed to 2%cb in weapons - OK
3:holy auras synergys changed to convic and respective resist aura both for 20% - convic synery is working, but the resist fire/cold/lit is not. someone double check this for me
4:MDR on diamonds cut back - OK
5:Armor override on zerk reduced by 5% per hard point (negated when maxed) - OK
6:Geddon and valor rws masterys removed and replaced with 50% fire mastery - still oskill mastery from what i checked
7:maul grants 10% critical +2% per hard point - OK
8:fana grants 10% critical +2% per hard point - OK
10:necro blades cooldown increased to 2.5 secs - OK
11:buffed spirit wolves damage and increased max number to 2+1 per 5 soft levels - OK
12:dire wolves damage increased slightly and max number increased to 3- OK
13:HoW grants 1% dr per hard point to the party - OK -however, the description states that soft points buff it - this needs to be fixed.
14:SoB grants 1% ele absorb per 2 hard points - OK
15:Bone spear tier 5 damage scaled back by 10% - OK
16:Bone Spirit damage increased by 10% on tier 5 - OK
18:amp values readjusted to soft level progression - OK
20:shields base damage increased by 20% - OK
21:smite damage per level increased by 5% - OK
24:confuse is no longer overwritten by other curses - OK
25:meteor patch duration reduced by 20% - OK
26:ce timer removed - OK
33:all of the LoS heroes are now knockback immune -OK
34:decoy reduced from 100% of zon hp + 10% per lvl to 75% of zon hp +3% hp per lvl. - OK
40:HoW aura increased to 40% def/ar/damage + 15 per level, up from 36%+12% per level - only the dmg% was changed. ar/defense need change as well.
42:Cold sorb on salvation - OK
52:gave venom 5% hard self psynergy - OK - but nerf this. set it to 3% instead.
56:gave FOH direct hit bypass demons - OK
57:gave hammers bypass undead - OK

stars · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:06 pm

Should prob add SP BETA TEST or something to the title it's rather misleading.

kramuti · **Joined:** Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:01 pm **Posts:** 1413

Should probably post links to these two threads in the initiial post.

Runewords
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=4307

Crafting
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=4299

stars · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:17 pm

Were helping out smiters a goal of this patch? If so they're still very weak.

LockDown · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:05 pm

20% Free DR they don't have to run fant anymore and can run defiance and CB is back. I'm pretty sure they're ok.

Steel · **Joined:** Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:02 pm **Posts:** 1627

Pious wrote:

3:holy auras synergys changed to convic and respective resist aura both for 20% - convic synery is working, but the resist fire/cold/lit is not. someone double check this for me

It's

Code:

skill('Resist Fire'.blvl)+skill('Conviction'.blvl)*par8

should be

Code:

(skill('Resist Fire'.blvl)+skill('Conviction'.blvl))*par8

for all 3 holy auras.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

I will start checking into all 5 of the misses that occurred so far.

jaykayrox · **Joined:** Sun May 02, 2010 8:51 pm **Posts:** 192

Some nice changes, had a little play around with the patch, nice to see HoW and SoB in real use! Great work guys

When its ready for release (if anything else gets changed) will you putting the post/patch in the announcements section?

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

I fixed the geddon and valor RWs on my side with oskill mastery being replaced by +50% ele damage of the respective element. It seems applying the change slipped kevin's mind. I got the other 4 problems Pious mentioned involving #'s 3, 13, 40, and 52 fixed as well.

Draped · **Joined:** Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:21 am **Posts:** 103

Since foh bolts only damage undead, wouldnt it make more sense to switch these?

56:gave FOH direct hit bypass demons - OK
57:gave hammers bypass undead - OK

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Me and Pious (and I forget who else) were talking about this matter. The problem is hammers as is do too much damage to be bypassing demons (its one thing for the bypass undead to allow it to uber smash undead bosses since sanctuary armor allows the same thing for weapon builds).

GameLucky21 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:59 am

Maybe i missed this but is there an estimation of when this will go live server side? As long as there is a post stating whenever it does go live i'll be fine. Thanks.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

I can't really give any information regarding that Gamelucky21... Duff isn't anywhere to be seen as of late and what you are asking about all depends on him.

GameLucky21 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:43 am

Baerk wrote:

I can't really give any information regarding that Gamelucky21... Duff isn't anywhere to be seen as of late and what you are asking about all depends on him.

Ok thanks thats just fine, I just didn't know where we were in stage of things. "Wait and see" is a time honored Diablo tradition anyways

Verb · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:40 am

51:transfer Double Throw AR% per level to Throwing Mastery to fix hardcoded AR bug - doesnt seem to work. 1 point in double throw didnt increase the ar of throwing mastery at all. My normal throw attack didnt get any more ar, wich it should if throwing mastery would recive the 15% ar boost.
I have 220 ar on the barb I made, with 2 points in DT and 5 in TM. And with 25 dex my base ar is 110, so I should have 253 ar wich means that the extra ar is missing from the bonus of DT.

62:throwing stack replenish rates boosted - works

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

It should be noted there's a bug with how passives apply. Synergies won't calculate till the skill level changes (so pumping mastery all the way first and then double through won't show immediate effects).

Verb · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:49 am

but will it show any affect at all? will it change even if I get a soft point in mastery?
Or do you mean that I have to max double throw before I max mastery?

EDIT:
22:blessed aim grants 1% passive lifesteal per level - seems to work, I get LL at least, cant tell if its the right amount.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

If you dump a hard point into throwing mastery after pumping double throw it will show the change for sure. That's what I recalled when I was doing the check on my work. It's just passives don't update as conveniently as one would think and this is a source of hard coded bugs.

--Double Post--
Retested Throwing mastery on my end. It's as I thought. The skill level of throwing mastery has to change before the passive will properly update. Edit yourself some +skill gear/charms to toggle and you should see the change on your end as well.

Verb · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:58 pm

okey coolio

dew · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:30 pm

I think on foh the holybolt dmg should be nerfed and the main skill dmg should be looked at for maybe a little buff. Then allow the holy bolts to dmg all monsters. Before any one says it can't be done without affecting the original holybolt it can. I just think this should be discussed and aproved/rejected

LockDown · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:06 pm

dew wrote:

I think on foh the holybolt dmg should be nerfed and the main skill dmg should be looked at for maybe a little buff. Then allow the holy bolts to dmg all monsters. Before any one says it can't be done without affecting the original holybolt it can. I just think this should be discussed and aproved/rejected

We talked about it a bit never got a real good idea of if we wanted to do it or not.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Besides... the implications of making the bolts hit everyone is rather hefty... even if the the undead/demon bypass was removed from the FOH holy bolts we would be talking something very similiar to lightning fury in strike mechanics (in which crowds can easily be nuked from a distance). It's probably better to let the FOH holy bolts be for the moment for sake of skill identity.

JnDmX · **Joined:** Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:28 pm **Posts:** 183

Baerk wrote:

Besides... the implications of making the bolts hit everyone is rather hefty... even if the the undead/demon bypass was removed from the FOH holy bolts we would be talking something very similiar to lightning fury in strike mechanics (in which crowds can easily be nuked from a distance). It's probably better to let the FOH holy bolts be for the moment for sake of skill identity.

Im confused here Baerk. Its ok that 1 skill can decimate crowds from a distance while leeching mind you. But another isnt? I think FoH with a bypass and a lil on the weaker side would be nothing more than a nova type teeth.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

The part of the lightning fury that decimates the entire crowd though doesn't carry weapon damage though (only the initial projectile and if the entire attack did carry weapon damage it would have insane leech power despite the ranged leech penalty).

SvF-Cagematch · **Joined:** Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:30 pm **Posts:** 96

Baerk wrote:

The part of the lightning fury that decimates the entire crowd though doesn't carry weapon damage though (only the initial projectile and if the entire attack did carry weapon damage it would have insane leech power despite the ranged leech penalty).

The main reason why lightning fury destroys things is pierce. And the main source of that was removed a long time ago. I also don't recall FoH bolts having any at all.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

The other reason against just simply allowing the FOH as is to have its bolts hit everything is it would be all too easy for some healadin to have a seriously good attack. We already got enough healadins running around despite the relatively crippled FOH (which has already just received a buff this test patch anyways).

dew · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:30 pm

actually after running some tests baerk is right, only way to make foh viable would be to nerf the crap outta it and add synergies that a healer wouldnt be able to max. not really practical to do this nor would any extra synergies make sense.

LockDown · **Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:00 pm

Any healer is gonna max prayer and from there... it doesn't matter. Holy Bolt isn't as important because of the huge prayer numbers. Every healer is a hybrid of something with Purity Inisight and Heavens Will around.

blinky99 · **Joined:** Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:45 am **Posts:** 977

can someone post a s/s of the new "soulmancer" char skills etc

JnDmX · **Joined:** Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:28 pm **Posts:** 183

Baerk wrote:

The other reason against just simply allowing the FOH as is to have its bolts hit everything is it would be all too easy for some healadin to have a seriously good attack. We already got enough healadins running around despite the relatively crippled FOH (which has already just received a buff this test patch anyways).

So you should cripple the lightning a3 mercs as well. Because as of right now a healdin can seriously do dmg. I already suggested to move the synergies around for FoH. So that FoH is a build and healadin is a build.

LockDown · **Posted:** Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:21 pm

A healer maxes prayer and maybe Holy Bolt. You still have 60-80 pts to mess around with.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Let's also try to keep in mind this is supposed to be a quick balance patch to try to bring things into better order balance wise. This FOH holy bolt hits everything thing also entails a bunch of other changes as Dew pointed out. Let's try to save the content changes such as this for when there's actually time to plan it out properly.

LockDown · **Posted:** Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:42 pm

In order to do it we'd have to rethink the whole skill tree for Pallys more than likely <_< Something I don't really wanna touch at this time.

Prescot · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:18 pm **Posts:** 187

I wasnt too happy with some changes to the patch but now i got stunned and want to give big thx for fixing boss phy charms. I'v made end game barb with almoast perf gear (ww barb), and with lawbringer rw i managed to kill andy without using a single potion. was using zeal from norm samy charm to cast dec so she isnt immune anymore and was taking her down with double grandfathers. With some juvs and a bit o work i managed to kill her at players 8. It is making me happy ^^ Especialy i can life leech from bosses finaly ^^ Also after fixing boss charms shouldnt bosses become un phy unimmune without using dec or amp on them?? or fix was just to give oportunity to take immune by using amp or dec??
About Zeal pally it is still kinda weak for me, it is hard to kill anything even with end game gear(or mayby i dont know how to play it ^^)
Anyway good work on this patch. Cant wait till it go live

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Actually all the hell act bosses are intentionally innately soft physical immune ranging from 105 to 110 physical resist base (meaning a bare mininum of decrep is necessary). Duriel however will probably require a full on serious amp since smite raises his %DR (but not to the point of triggering hard immunity which would completely screw any melee trying to leech off him). Act bosses in hell seriously used to have way too much physical resist (used to be 145 on hell baal after all).

With the physical resists being not as absurd (but amp not being as nice as in 1.21z) and a bit of the CB back melees should hopefully have a place back in the fighting now (especially if a necro casts a nice amp). Pious considered being below the immune point at all too generous for hell act boss physical resists so instead we gunned a soft immunity that should easily be breakable via curse.

I'm glad to hear though that melee is actually standing a chance now. I was wondering when someone would finally do a serious melee vs boss fight test. This patch's very intent was to breath some life back into the melees. There will undoubtedly be discovered further need for particular adjustments once the patch goes live, but that isn't going to come till we go beyond having a small handful of testers.

Verb · **Posted:** Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:15 am

51:transfer Double Throw AR% per level to Throwing Mastery to fix hardcoded AR bug - works, but you forgot that for the first lvl of double throw you get 30% ar not 15%. Maybe thats not something you can fix just letting you know.

37:frozen armor def bonus dropped to 20% per level - ok

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Actually I figured Double Throw always granting 30 flat AR to its attack would be more beneficial in the beginning (besides... I intentionally made Double Throw's synergy to its mastery a soft level synergy so most of the AR really is transferred over).

On a side note I completed my own version of a extended stat display character screen based on the plug in Purerage-DoD provided. It displays 28 more stats. I set up a link to it in the first post.

Prescot · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:18 pm **Posts:** 187

Baerk wrote:

Actually all the hell act bosses are intentionally innately soft physical immune ranging from 105 to 110 physical resist base (meaning a bare mininum of decrep is necessary). Duriel however will probably require a full on serious amp since smite raises his %DR (but not to the point of triggering hard immunity which would completely screw any melee trying to leech off him). Act bosses in hell seriously used to have way too much physical resist (used to be 145 on hell baal after all).

With the physical resists being not as absurd (but amp not being as nice as in 1.21z) and a bit of the CB back melees should hopefully have a place back in the fighting now (especially if a necro casts a nice amp). Pious considered being below the immune point at all too generous for hell act boss physical resists so instead we gunned a soft immunity that should easily be breakable via curse.

I'm glad to hear though that melee is actually standing a chance now. I was wondering when someone would finally do a serious melee vs boss fight test. This patch's very intent was to breath some life back into the melees. There will undoubtedly be discovered further need for particular adjustments once the patch goes live, but that isn't going to come till we go beyond having a small handful of testers.

I tested zealot pally and ww barb that far, going to test fury druid with few diffrent weapons to test impact of cb.
Zealot Pally dont stand a chance against andy, at least one i made
But my barb with maxed Increased def, and tyrael/demonhorn full of uber diamonds just pwn Andy, going to test him vs Meph soon.
Also there is one thing that is impossible to bypass, and the only reason i dont play HC is that this patch dont give any reasonable fix for IM problem. My barb got 14k HP, and i managed to one shot myself with one single ww while i was fighting boss before andy. It is serious problem, especialy for zealer, since his attack cannot be canceld fast enough to stay alive.
BTW my barb got 180 PDR 110 MDR and round 25%DR, and like 60-70% ligfe leech, and with a dec casted on andy i can easly leech more hp than she can hit me. (she have 8 or 10% chance to hit if i remeber good ^^)
LAter this evening i'm going to do more testing, especialy with fury druid and new HOW ^^

EDIT. Can anyone send me PM life/mana per lvl for each character if something like that exist

?? It could be very usefull for me ^^
EDIT2. Also i Heros Reward still 2-3 skill?? If it is i'm hardly disagree with it, cos it require alot of work, items and highest possible lvl, and also almoast impossible fight to get it so getting only 2 skill after doing all that would be so anoying, if someone manages to get thru all of that he should guaranted get 3 skill charm. ^^

blinky99 · **Joined:** Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:45 am **Posts:** 977

any one fight soulmancer

LockDown · **Posted:** Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:02 am

blinky99 wrote:

any one fight soulmancer

I went in to test the formula but the character I was on at the time is hardly balanced at all. He's gonna be interesting to fight to say the least.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Well Purerage designed Soulmancer with some insane firepower. He has -100 fire, cold, poison, and magic resists (so prepare to be slugged).

Prescot · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:18 pm **Posts:** 187

I made some fury druid testing and i want to say one thing. He can become immortal with HOW and its DR. I just need to work a bit on my ger but i took andy half hp in like 5 or 10 seconds, tobial took down in like 15-20 sec total, and i'm only at normal fury end game gear. I love this phy fix. Finaly i can play my favourite characters.

Verb · **Posted:** Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:17 am

will there be a testing period online aswell or only single player?

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

@Verb An online testing period was originally planned but at this rate it seems as though it will never come.

@Prescot Sorta not surprising with the HOW. Oak is really just a rejuv booster and OHKO protection. HoW on the other hand totally majorly boosts potless tanking power. Would you care to say what curse proc you used on andy with your druid as well as how much CB% you used? (a SS of the char screen using my char screen plug in with the HOW/Lycan active wouldn't hurt either) Also how long did it take to beat andy at p1? p3? p8?

Draped · **Joined:** Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:21 am **Posts:** 103

Prescot wrote:

Zealot Pally dont stand a chance against andy, at least one i made

Why not? With high def/dr%/cleansing you should be able to tank him at least.

Prescot wrote:

Also there is one thing that is impossible to bypass, and the only reason i dont play HC is that this patch dont give any reasonable fix for IM problem. My barb got 14k HP, and i managed to one shot myself with one single ww while i was fighting boss before andy.

Vs bosses that cast im you could:
-Use a low dmg/ high cb weapon.
-Use stun/concentrate instead of ww.
-Use smite/sacrifice instead of zeal.

Overall I get the impression that old amp + cb buff + lower phys res bosses have made things way too easy for melee's now (Soloing Andy on p8?). I will give zeal pala a whirl.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Actually it isn't really the old amp (its only got about 2/3rds the power) or for that matter is it really the same old crushing blow amounts either. Keep in mind this was an attempt to shoot towards the middle of two extremes (melees that were totally OP and melees that were practically useless). It may just be we didn't hit the center point cleanly despite attempting to walk the middle path.

Steel · **Joined:** Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:02 pm **Posts:** 1627

Quote:

Overall I get the impression that old amp + cb buff + lower phys res bosses have made things way too easy for melee's now (Soloing Andy on p8?). I will give zeal pala a whirl.

Probably won't, I tested her months ago with IK barb and boss charm 0%phys so she was 70%. That wasn't impressive for 88lvl set, I got her on single spawn to 40% before I lost all full juvs. Ofc fury with treaver will own her no prob.

Quote:

Why not? With high def/dr%/cleansing you should be able to tank him at least.

Zeal miss a lot(first miss = all miss), and if you run cleansing instead fanat you do like 1/5 dmg. I agree sob + paladins and you can tank andy no prob.Dmg? no. I remember you said you had killed her with zealer and your healer... after 10-15min?

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

It should be noted though that druid fury has the same miss bug as zeal (first miss of attack cycle = rest miss). I guess Steel's right though... there's probably a big difference between end gear and the gear you'd normally reach hell andy with first time around with. It should be noted that if you decrep hell andy in this test patch it will drop her to 80 phys resist (which by no means is really all that low).

Pious · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:29 am **Posts:** 533

im glad melees can fight hell andy now! iron maiden is still gonna be melee bane though

Draped · **Joined:** Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:21 am **Posts:** 103

Ok tried griswold zealot vs andy on sp, 10% cb and low life (4k). Without amp I almost didnt dmg her, but with amp she went down pretty fast.
Seems balanced enough though, and Id rather have melee have an easy time vs bosses than casters.

Pious · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:29 am **Posts:** 533

soulmancer was basically designed to do 1 thing - rape. MAYBE the bone spirit counter or magic pierce hes got are a bit too high, this was a problem when i first tested him, considering he shoots them every time he takes damage.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

A note for any further boss feedback. If you are going to use amp to break a hell act boss's physical immunity also state the level of the amp so I got an idea of how much physical resist it was against.

Verb · **Posted:** Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:41 pm

is there anyone that can test how barb throwers is doing in hell? I cant get my UdieToo program to work properly, keeps crashing and shit.

Prescot · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:18 pm **Posts:** 187

Baerk wrote:

@Prescot Sorta not surprising with the HOW. Oak is really just a rejuv booster and OHKO protection. HoW on the other hand totally majorly boosts potless tanking power. Would you care to say what curse proc you used on andy with your druid as well as how much CB% you used? (a SS of the char screen using my char screen plug in with the HOW/Lycan active wouldn't hurt either) Also how long did it take to beat andy at p1? p3? p8?

SS will post soon enough.
Barb:
p1 andy 3-4 min, p8 andy 10-15 mayby even 20 min, just it was long.
Druid Fury:
p1 andy 2 min, other didnt tested still

Babrb was casting ctc dec from lawbringer using zeal oskill.
Druid was casting amp from atamas scrab(like 5 times faster than druid dec), using Tomb Reaver, than i switched for mara and for Sorrow RW in Legendary mallet that use 25% ctc dec, and pretty high dmg, a bit slower but it gives better life leech.

Also should number of wolfs add from soft skill?? for me it is adding from soft skill (7 wolfes with 1 hard point in).

Barb:

Druid:

Forgot tested barb vs Meph. It is doable but not with self casting amp/dec ;/ It is just taking too much time to cast one like that (need to test it with charges of amp and dec, but ct it isnt doable). Anyway still meph is alot alot more dificult cos life leeching there is near of impossible ;/

Edit. Also is there a list of sources of CB?? and what gives how much of it??

Verb · **Posted:** Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:04 pm

how much ar do you get from your gear and charms on that barb? I managed to get my UdieToo to work but only in normal. And the thrower I did there had like about 4-500 ar from charms and I was still more then 10k ar behind your ww barb.
How much ar per lvl does ww get? double throw get 15% ar each lvl

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

The spirit wolves increasing from soft level is change number 11 on the change log. Seems the act boss leech changes were forgotten though. Meph is still only 40% as leechable as Andy but has 5 higher physical resist too (leech is a slippery slope though since it's nature is comparable to flat damage reduction only its more for a given amount of time than per hit).

I did a little research on amp's new formula. A level 3 amp proc is -33 enemy resists. Level 5 is -40. level 6 -42. (level 1 is a feeble -22)

A number of two handed weapon uniques were given 6%. The most conveniant source will probably be bers though at 2% per rune. Ribcracker has 10% but is designed to be low damage high CB unique. The collossus rare weapon affix gives 2-3%

If with amp/decrep charges meph still proves rather unnoticeably leechable I could always edit hell meph's leech effectiveness up by half to make leeching easier (seems the originally intended leech effectiveness changes for the hell act bosses were forgotten anyways).

Despite the fact you said half of andy's health disapeared in 5-10 seconds yet she still took 2 minutes to kill surprised me a bit though. I guess this makes crushing blow much closer to a good spot than I thought.

Zikur · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:11 am **Posts:** 978

what do you mean at this rate there will not be an online testing period?
has there been problems contacting duff to implement the changes?

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Although Duff popped up a day or two ago I think (he was on long enough to at least finally read the PM I sent him on an other subject) he remained dead quiet even in regards to my PM request. At the rate things are going single player testing will probably be carried out completely before we have a chance at a patch hosted live on the servers.

Prescot · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:18 pm **Posts:** 187

Baerk wrote:

The spirit wolves increasing from soft level is change number 11 on the change log. Seems the act boss leech changes were forgotten though. Meph is still only 40% as leechable as Andy but has 5 higher physical resist too (leech is a slippery slope though since it's nature is comparable to flat damage reduction only its more for a given amount of time than per hit).

I did a little research on amp's new formula. A level 3 amp proc is -33 enemy resists. Level 5 is -40. level 6 -42. (level 1 is a feeble -22)

A number of two handed weapon uniques were given 6%. The most conveniant source will probably be bers though at 2% per rune. Ribcracker has 10% but is designed to be low damage high CB unique. The collossus rare weapon affix gives 2-3%

If with amp/decrep charges meph still proves rather unnoticeably leechable I could always edit hell meph's leech effectiveness up by half to make leeching easier (seems the originally intended leech effectiveness changes for the hell act bosses were forgotten anyways).

Despite the fact you said half of andy's health disapeared in 5-10 seconds yet she still took 2 minutes to kill surprised me a bit though. I guess this makes crushing blow much closer to a good spot than I thought.

Make for me edit that double life lelch amount on duriel, Meph Diablo and Baal, i will make proper testing if it slove problem with mephy, and other bosses.

Also changes to CB are little bad for Fury druid, since he need same time speed and life leech i cant use tmaul or this lvl 92 axe, cos than i cant life leech or i cant attack as fast as i need too.

Also first part of fighting andy is very easy cos she dont teleport me, after she start teleporting me round it is harder tog et back to attacking part cos i need to recast curse or just get back to her, thats why it takes such a long time.
Same time could u propose which weapons should i use as fury druid?? :>
Critical value of Life leech that allow efectivly leech bosses is 55% on items, at least that works for andy ^^

What other mele builds need testing??

About Duff i'm pretty sure he is on vacation, taking his summer break, just give him time, all testing can be done in single player.

If anyone wants i can post rar with most of high end game gear in d2i files (the updated ones from this patch) so everyone can use them in udie too, also about getting ur char to work on hell, press "p" in udietoo and:

1. here change to hell
2. here change to nm/hell
and now you can play at hell diff.

Verb · **Posted:** Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:10 pm

Prescot wrote:

What other mele builds need testing??

Its not a melee build but a phy build, thrower!
I tried that thing that you showed pressing "P" and shit but the program still fucks up and now I cant even enter the game with my single player char so...UdieToo keeps krashing

Prescot · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:18 pm **Posts:** 187

Verb wrote:

Prescot wrote:

What other mele builds need testing??

Its not a melee build but a phy build, thrower!
I tried that thing that you showed pressing "P" and shit but the program still fucks up and now I cant even enter the game with my single player char so...UdieToo keeps krashing

Send me PM with exact items for and game and points distribution i will check it.

Steel · **Joined:** Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:02 pm **Posts:** 1627

we could run diablo/baal on open bnet if anyone is interested, I'll be home in next 10hours.

Verb · **Posted:** Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:22 am

could we get some piercing attack on the rw for throwing weapons? or maybe some oskill pierce?
Cus atm that kinda diminish the trash killing ability for double throw barbs.
Or at least the higher lvl rw should get it.
Thanks

blinky99 · **Joined:** Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:45 am **Posts:** 977

so what attacks does this soulamncer use? any aura? immunities? what does he look like the LOS necro or a new sprite?

if hes this hard maybe add something aside from +skills to the charm? something unique and worth the fight and lvl 101 grind
max all res, sorbs, unique oskills,DR% cb etc

Prescot · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:18 pm **Posts:** 187

blinky99 wrote:

so what attacks does this soulamncer use? any aura? immunities? what does he look like the LOS necro or a new sprite?

if hes this hard maybe add something aside from +skills to the charm? something unique and worth the fight and lvl 101 grind
max all res, sorbs, unique oskills,DR% cb etc

+1 for that.

Steel · **Joined:** Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:02 pm **Posts:** 1627

Quote:

worth the fight and lvl 101 grind

Imo +2 all res should be a good bone for guys to go 101lvl.

Draped · **Joined:** Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:21 am **Posts:** 103

Maybe the elite set glow or some other graphical effect?

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

I personally wouldn't mind doing the elite set glow for soulmancer's charm. Do we really want a Median type situation where there's a freaking horde of unique charms with a bunch of crazy good mods in the long run (as more content starts getting added after this emergency balance fix patch)? I personally think all the unique charms from these to be added special uber bosses should be more trophies than uber awesome charms myself.

Zikur · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:11 am **Posts:** 978

agree with baerk

Prescot · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:18 pm **Posts:** 187

Finaly found a bit of time to test barb thrower. AR synergy seems to work for me. But throwing sux at bosses. I think LL is broken for it. Even with godly made items and 300LL total i couldnt leech of andy. My WW barb can leech her just easy. Idk whats wrong with thrower but simply cannot life leech andy no metter she's dec or amped, just can't. Also 140k dmg throw is making miserable dmg comparing to 30k barb. At andy thrower dps looked like 1/3 of ww barb dmg. Any ideas why it looks that strange?? I will post screen of thrower later. Now going to sleep.
EDIT. Also and what is more important there is need to make replenish even faster than it is now. Just to clear way to andy i had to use 6 satck of javelins, and when i get to andy i hadnt any left to fight her and had to wait ...

blinky99 · **Joined:** Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:45 am **Posts:** 977

dont need a glow affect lol, could go with addition to something else unique though to show off that you have it c
+2 all res lmao

we dont have a hoard of unique charms with unique mods, one for exp that most dont use past 99, one with 10%life/mana , the annilus stats res skill, others are mostly just +skills, some life regen and 0skill zeal, and the hearts base life/skill best one with 25% DS that only barb can use, and ITD for the zon

PureRage-DoD · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:33 am **Posts:** 4291

the charm isn't important. If you are able to beat the boss then you shouldn't need a crazy good award. The charm is there simply as a token. I'm sure there would be plenty of people trying to kill him even if the charm was blank with a message saying "Soulmancer Slayer"

@Prescot double throws displayed damage is bugged for some reason.

Delta · **Joined:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:41 pm **Posts:** 223

Prescot wrote:

Finaly found a bit of time to test barb thrower. AR synergy seems to work for me. But throwing sux at bosses. I think LL is broken for it. Even with godly made items and 300LL total i couldnt leech of andy. My WW barb can leech her just easy. Idk whats wrong with thrower but simply cannot life leech andy no metter she's dec or amped, just can't. Also 140k dmg throw is making miserable dmg comparing to 30k barb. At andy thrower dps looked like 1/3 of ww barb dmg. Any ideas why it looks that strange?? I will post screen of thrower later. Now going to sleep.
EDIT. Also and what is more important there is need to make replenish even faster than it is now. Just to clear way to andy i had to use 6 satck of javelins, and when i get to andy i hadnt any left to fight her and had to wait ...

Someone should check this out for bladesins too.

Soulmancer · **Joined:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:21 am **Posts:** 224

Also if you want to experiment with new/updated plugins and such feel free... May want to check out Phrozen Keep to see what advances there have been... I know there is an increased resolution plugin out now for D2Mod systems; not sure how well it would work.

Prescot · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:18 pm **Posts:** 187

Soulmancer wrote:

Also if you want to experiment with new/updated plugins and such feel free... May want to check out Phrozen Keep to see what advances there have been... I know there is an increased resolution plugin out now for D2Mod systems; not sure how well it would work.

The onnly one thing with plugins i miss in this mod is PlugY, if it would work with HU i would be in haven ;] It is most usefull thing, especialy shared stash and extended stats screen. It is most usefull things of this that could be changed ;] The high res mod isnt needed if someone use glide it works 100times better, cos u can setup it to work in desktop resolution so DIablo Dont change screen resolution on full screen.

Soulmancer · **Joined:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:21 am **Posts:** 224

If PlugY can be implemented properly I would fully support it. there were incompatibility issues with the server emulator though which is why it currently isn't in use; not sure if this has changed at all but might be worth looking into.

Also what is Glide?

Prescot · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:18 pm **Posts:** 187

Soulmancer wrote:

If PlugY can be implemented properly I would fully support it. there were incompatibility issues with the server emulator though which is why it currently isn't in use; not sure if this has changed at all but might be worth looking into.

Also what is Glide?

Look at this link mancer http://forum.arimyth.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1163
It is topic about Glide. I'll do some searching about PlugY but i think Duff should know if it will work properly.

ki4m · **Joined:** Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:26 am **Posts:** 285

Plugy on servers is buggy as hell.
but the high res plugin works well, as you can see in Kevs Mod NR, but the AI Radius of the monsters needs to be changed, I have no Idea how much work it is, but after playing mods with higher resolution its really hard to go back to normal D2 resolution cuz its so fucking small...

Prescot · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:18 pm **Posts:** 187

ki4m wrote:

Plugy on servers is buggy as hell.
but the high res plugin works well, as you can see in Kevs Mod NR, but the AI Radius of the monsters needs to be changed, I have no Idea how much work it is, but after playing mods with higher resolution its really hard to go back to normal D2 resolution cuz its so fucking small...

Do you have any idea if there is a way to make PlugY work for single player but not load when i play on realm?? It might be usefull at testing.

stars · **Posted:** Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:17 pm

So does this resolution thing have to be server side or can I get it going on my side?

PureRage-DoD · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:33 am **Posts:** 4291

I can set up high res for the next patch if you like, as long as there is gonna be a bit of time between now and when it goes live, monster AI distance will have to be increased too.

You will have to get an image you want to use for the start screen though as the originals don't get expanded. Glide don't increase the resolution, it just stretches it.

High Res vs regular size:

As ki4m says, I once you are used to high res, going back down is awfull.

Only thing is, skill icons in the skill tree all need moved and the start screen/realm channel etc all need new backgrounds made.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

You can get a resolution patch client side but it would be pretty much cheating to be using a higher resolution than the enemy AI is configured for.

As for concerning PlugY... Yohan, the designer of PlugY, intentionally made PlugY to be incompatible with server emulator software period. Shared stash will never work for server play unless someone does their own code editing to the plug in to enable compatibility. I doubt anyone will step up to do such a thing (since the maker surely won't) so fully functional plugY on server play is just an idle dream that won't ever happen.

As for concerning the bugged display on Double Throw... I guess I could try looking into things, but I wouldn't be sure where to start to actually fix such a bug.

LockDown · **Posted:** Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:30 pm

Would eliminate some of the people who use maphack for scroll locking if we went High Res and increased monster AI tho.

PureRage-DoD · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:33 am **Posts:** 4291

Also forgot, would need to increase enemy missile speed, and enemy movement speed otherwise casters have a huge advantage. faster enemys/misiles means they close the gap faster and they are no easier to avoid/destroy before they make it to you.

LockDown · **Posted:** Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:45 pm

I like the sound of it.

Prescot · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:18 pm **Posts:** 187

I dont like High res mod. For me it is even worse than map hack. Especialy i use 16:9 display so when i use redefined high res for for exampla res 1600x1000 or something similar i get black bars on left and right of screen. Also if someone doesnt support that resolution and use biger one he will have adventage over opponets AI, same time when someone use lower he have disadventage that everything is attacking him when he cant even see it.
In my opinion High Res mod have more downsides on MP than wem can think of. At SP there isnt that much of impact.

Soulmancer · **Joined:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:21 am **Posts:** 224

The mod plugin I looked at still only supported 2 specific resolutions. They replace 640/480 and 800x600 so it's not as if you have full customization over resolution to rock out like 1650x1080 ... As for monster AI range; I'm not sure what would control this within the txt if monster AI range isn't hardcoded. I'll look into it more later if someone doesn't already know.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

In any case high res would be an awfully huge undertaking to properly implement. Making all the monster projectiles would be a missiles.txt overhaul. Who knows where the monster AI changes would go. Giving the monsters better move speed would be a monstat.txt overhaul that would unfortunately not be simple to do for a couple of reasons...

1) While monsters would need indeed more speed to close the gap faster so that there's less hits taken from casters overdoing it will lead to point 2. 2) If the monsters get too much speed it will become impossible to kite let alone retreat (and I'm sure a monster that's too fast to be retreated from normally would surely cause an uproar).

All in all implementing such a plug in properly would spell a massive overhaul which would in turn take far too much time for this emergency balance fix patch (we would have to speed check the speed changes on every last monster to make sure they aren't too fast with vigor/fanata but at the same time make sure they got the appropriate speed boost). Maybe in the future it could be considered but for now its definitely not getting implemented.

dew · **Posted:** Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:26 pm

searched the keep and the guide says

Quote:

AIDIST, AIDIST(N), AIDIST(H) – The distance in cells required for this AI to be enabled.

Soulmancer · **Joined:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:21 am **Posts:** 224

Indeed, ai aggro range is easy to change. I don't think monster movement speed would be really nessecary; if monster aggro range is increased that would also trigger a greater number of enemies moving toward you at once on screen since more monsters would be within aggro range. They could also start firing projectiles at you from further away.

Monster missile range and potentially missile speed may potentially need to be tweaked slightly but most monster missiles move fairly quick and fairly far as is... the rest of the monsters use player skills so those missiles would be on par with the players at least by default.

Anyway, just passing on that I'd fully support this if anyone is interested in undertaking it... higher res and glide would make it a much prettier game to play. On my 26inch LED widescreen monitor playing Diablo 2 at 800x600 makes me want to throw up on the screen.

Steel · **Joined:** Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:02 pm **Posts:** 1627

dew wrote:

searched the keep and the guide says

Quote:

AIDIST, AIDIST(N), AIDIST(H) – The distance in cells required for this AI to be enabled.

it's still hardcoded to 33 yards or something.
IMO monsters density should be increased too

Prescot · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:18 pm **Posts:** 187

Soulmancer wrote:

Indeed, ai aggro range is easy to change. I don't think monster movement speed would be really nessecary; if monster aggro range is increased that would also trigger a greater number of enemies moving toward you at once on screen since more monsters would be within aggro range. They could also start firing projectiles at you from further away.

Monster missile range and potentially missile speed may potentially need to be tweaked slightly but most monster missiles move fairly quick and fairly far as is... the rest of the monsters use player skills so those missiles would be on par with the players at least by default.

Anyway, just passing on that I'd fully support this if anyone is interested in undertaking it... higher res and glide would make it a much prettier game to play. On my 26inch LED widescreen monitor playing Diablo 2 at 800x600 makes me want to throw up on the screen.

Mancer actualy i'm playing D2 800x600 using glide at 26inch widescreen monitor, and it looks rather cool, with good setup of glide it all looks smooth and sharp, and i'm also pretty sure glide wont work with Hi Ress mod, and if i had to cancel using glide and use hi ress mod i would rather quit d2 than do that. Also i cant imagine going tundra with soso whe 3 times more monsters will attack me same time only cos of hi res. Thats a bit ridiculus.
Anyway i CAnt make any decisions or impact on them i'm just a member of community which gives his opinion away ;] Hi Res is fun at SP but at MP it will be terrible.

Verb · **Posted:** Sun Aug 07, 2011 7:18 am

Baerk wrote:

As for concerning the bugged display on Double Throw... I guess I could try looking into things, but I wouldn't be sure where to start to actually fix such a bug.

The display damage bug isnt really that needed to be fixed, the real damage on the other hand should be taken a look at. Prescot said that it did like 1/3 of ww damage and the life leech problem should be taken a look at aswell. And maybe the replenish aswell.

ki4m · **Joined:** Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:26 am **Posts:** 285

Prescot wrote:

Soulmancer wrote:

Indeed, ai aggro range is easy to change. I don't think monster movement speed would be really nessecary; if monster aggro range is increased that would also trigger a greater number of enemies moving toward you at once on screen since more monsters would be within aggro range. They could also start firing projectiles at you from further away.

Monster missile range and potentially missile speed may potentially need to be tweaked slightly but most monster missiles move fairly quick and fairly far as is... the rest of the monsters use player skills so those missiles would be on par with the players at least by default.

Anyway, just passing on that I'd fully support this if anyone is interested in undertaking it... higher res and glide would make it a much prettier game to play. On my 26inch LED widescreen monitor playing Diablo 2 at 800x600 makes me want to throw up on the screen.

Mancer actualy i'm playing D2 800x600 using glide at 26inch widescreen monitor, and it looks rather cool, with good setup of glide it all looks smooth and sharp, and i'm also pretty sure glide wont work with Hi Ress mod, and if i had to cancel using glide and use hi ress mod i would rather quit d2 than do that. Also i cant imagine going tundra with soso whe 3 times more monsters will attack me same time only cos of hi res. Thats a bit ridiculus.
Anyway i CAnt make any decisions or impact on them i'm just a member of community which gives his opinion away ;] Hi Res is fun at SP but at MP it will be terrible.

HiRes works fine with Glide, HiRes also only allows the following resolutions atm: 1280x768 and 1024x768

In think you are talking about Multi Res and that would be horrible to balance with the possibility of a resolution of 1900x1080....

Soulmancer · **Joined:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:21 am **Posts:** 224

Quote:

HiRes works fine with Glide, HiRes also only allows the following resolutions atm: 1280x768 and 1024x768

This

http://phrozenkeep.hugelaser.com/forum/ ... 33&t=57003

And This

Steel · **Joined:** Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:02 pm **Posts:** 1627

D2SmallUtility v1.01 is ok but it has some options that could unbalance mod(full def when running, inc max shield block, pierce breaking immuns)

PureRage-DoD · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:33 am **Posts:** 4291

Thats the one I use and its fine for multiplayer, IDK why folks who haven't actually tried it and checked it out are so against it. It's tried and tested and works perfectly fine with realm play.

A buff to monster speed don't have to be a huge undertaking, they only need around a 10% boost to account for the larger resolution, missile speed needs an even smaller buff (I found a 5% increase to be perfect).

There are other benefits too like scroll locking enemys off screen becomes impossible since those skills actually have a max distance and with high res, it don't reach further than monster adjusted aggro range.

Ps. the hard code for monster AI distance is the distance used when there is no entry in the AI dist columns. Mephisto in hell uses an AI dist of 46 for example (IIRC). I tried many distances to get one I was happy with and its increased well above 33 yards.

I have a highres.ini already set up with all realm buttons moved to fit the higher resolution etc. you are free to use. Someone would have to do some image editing for the stat screen etc as the one included is simply so you can get it working without redoing them all first and it don't really fit with this mod.

@Terry, PM me if you want to check it out all set up and i can send you the setup I use.

PPs. glide does work with high res...

PureRage-DoD · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:33 am **Posts:** 4291

Stash scroll would be a very nice one (good alternative to TP's). There is a plugin somewhare that allows you to create new working tomes so you could also have a tome of stash scroll for example. I'll see if i can find it.

Soulmancer · **Joined:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:21 am **Posts:** 224

The Glide and D2ExpRes plugin works well and supports two resolutions that can be toggled from the video menu... I'd be interested in seeing support of both for Hell Unleashed; but it's up to you guys since you're doing all the work on this patch...

Play around with the AI range and see how far it can be pushed. Monster speed may not be needed since more monsters will aggro earlier so you'll be under assault be more enemies. If monster speed does need to be increased a +1 to walk +1 to run should be more than enough.

A lot of monsters use player skills/missiles so that's fine...

Some monster missiles range/speed may need to be tweaked, the most of them already have fairly long range and speed.

tucker · **Posted:** Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:17 pm

do you still updating the first post? i made sp chars with editor and can confirm some points:

8:fana grants 10% critical +2% per hard point - Good
9:plague jav duration at tier 1 changed from 10frames per lvl to 5 - Good
23:elemental set parts grant +20 oskill meteor, glacial spike and thunder storm when fully equipped - They're on each single part, not set bonuses (found eye of flame)
28:Crushing blow added as a suffix at 2-3% on weapons - Good (appeared on a craft)
29:deadly strike added as a suffix on weapons at 5-15% - Good (same)
44:non skill IAS returned to smite - Good
58:decoy timer increased to 13 seconds - Good

got a question too. did you nerf ele crafts? moonstone craft gloves/belts/boots/helms vary between 8-12 %dmg and pierce. i may missed it, if this was in another topic.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Yes the ele crafts were specifically nerfed intentionally (but just didn't make it into the change log). It was originally decided between Pious and others for the caster gear nerfs in the diablo in game chat channel (while the change made it into my to do list it was never talked on the forum however).

Thanks for checking all those things though Tucker. The thread lost its original purpose for a bit and you brought it back on track.

Zikur · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:11 am **Posts:** 978

id love it if high res was added.

Prescot · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:18 pm **Posts:** 187

hmmm i would like to say if max res that is suported is 1280x768(16:9) it would be more than awsome to use it combine with glide. I thought that we'r going to use this tool that allow to play in 1920x1080. And same time hires allow to use even more extended stat screen with even more stats combined (for example total resistance in items).

tucker · **Posted:** Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:15 am

wow... i should make a trapper with crazy run speed and see what she can do. i couldn't go too colse, he has insane fcr and baal's knockback spell. as i saw he also have meph's vortex, nihla/samy purple fire circle, bone spear, bone spirit, curses (im and life tap for sure). my 20k life was gone with 1 bone spirit, barely survived.
btw the portal can be opened anywhere in a5, not just throne of the dead. its for testing right?
oh and facets 2-3 %dmg works, forgot to quote.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

A 20k slug on his counter huh... definately rather much. Well I did have a warning stating he was extreme. As for the portal thing... It's because I haven't gotten a way to specifically tie it to atleast near Throne of the Dead yet.

By all means keep the testing updates coming though.

tucker · **Posted:** Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:38 am

with light trap sin i hurt him to half before dying, used almost the full cube of juvs. i have 9.4k life and 1-35k light sentry dmg with all the skill charms (even heros reward:P) rest filled with 20 life scs and self bc/bo.

he summons ws golems!

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

How much pierce did you have by any chance? The traps inherit your pierce.

tucker · **Posted:** Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:53 am

2 shadow killers: 40 +6*12 thunder prisms
templar: 16 +4*6 facets (+3-6 facets and +2all on temp)
griffon: 3*6
total: 170

Verb · **Posted:** Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:31 am

you actually only get the -res from your main weapon and not both

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

While that may be for non trap attacks Verb the traps on the other hand due to their coding to bypass blizzard's poor coding intentionally take pierce from both claws (since the coding is to inherit the entirety of the pierce from the player's gear).

Verb · **Posted:** Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:31 am

oh cool, didnt know that, thats pretty awesome

blinky99 · **Joined:** Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:45 am **Posts:** 977

shoulda guessed psn immunes luls

tucker · **Posted:** Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:52 pm

2nd time: success! i've never built a trapper, some practice did it.

i'm curious how can a team handle him.

slappyNuts · **Joined:** Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:48 pm **Posts:** 1680

yo tucker, how many times you die?? Just curious how viable it would be to attempt on HC ^^

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Given what you've already noted though... I'll definately be nerfing Soulmancer some so that something besides a trapper can stand a chance (it's unrealistic to expect people to be withstanding 20k damage bone spirit counters).

Go ahead and test some other things. It would be nice to have most of the things to be tested finished off before unleashing test patch #2.

tucker · **Posted:** Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:18 pm

slappyNuts wrote:

yo tucker, how many times you die?? Just curious how viable it would be to attempt on HC ^^

i didn't die on the 2nd time, but that cube was full of juvs. and my life would be lower without that many 20 life scs and perf heart clone sc. and without that modified craft boots. i simply replaced the random mods on it with 3trap, 50frw, 30str and 30dex

PureRage-DoD · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:33 am **Posts:** 4291

Baerk wrote:

Given what you've already noted though... I'll definately be nerfing Soulmancer

great, another easy boss to farm for charms... He's supposed to be practically impossible, if anything, buff him vs trappers.

If he is soloable with any char you could duplicate on the realm then he is too weak.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Let's be serious... You set Soulmancer to fire off a 20k damage bone spirit for every time he's struck by any counter triggering move. How is any build that doesn't have some mechanic to avoid their counters such as a trapper supposed to survive that counter onslaught? That one counter alone provides 8x the counter DPS of the LOS asn's psychic hammer counter (and could easily throw 60k damage in a players face in one second which is utterly overkill).

It would require a very different proc set up on the boss in the first place to actively sniff out any near by players and automatically fire rounds at them. As things stand now though very specialized counter avoiding builds will be necessary to even stand a chance at Soulmancer (and will surely solely be used against him because to use anything else is simply suicide).

--Double Post--
Also unfortunately there's a really thin line between beatable by party and soloable. This line is so thin unfortunately there's no way I can guarantee making only party doable possible. In the very least though the boss shouldn't blatantly favor counter avoiding builds such as trappers.

PureRage-DoD · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:33 am **Posts:** 4291

Ok, then remove him from the patch. The only reason he is there is to be something near impossible to kill. Thats why he is called Soulmancer... If you nerf him and leave it in, then change his name to Baerk...

LockDown · **Posted:** Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:51 pm

Still have to get to level 101 to use it. I'll never even attempt to hit 101. I have better shit to do.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

You seem to be obsessing over impossibility purerage... Any beatable boss will become "easy" under the right conditions. The current boss you made simply just gives a grievous advantage to DPS builds that don't have to eat counters for their attacks. You probably should of never released the boss in the first place if you had such thoughts...

I have no intentions of severely nerfing Soulmancer, however. I still intend for him to be definitely worse to fight than any of the LOS heros.

PureRage-DoD · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:33 am **Posts:** 4291

How hard do you find the LoS hero's? The druid can destroy you with 1 fury/nado combo, I don't see anyone asking to nerf him.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Although you insist on "practically impossible" the problem becomes if you leave a shred of beatability at all... It gives the possibility of people turning a 99% unbeatable boss into a 99% beatable boss. All it takes is someone like Tucker figuring the boss's flaw and it turns into a matter of a a gear/build check for the boss fight.

Having the boss require very particular builds just simply results in FOTM builds. While I'm all for an insane gear check on the party trying to take him down having an additional build check that the DPS builds must be counterless is just plain silly (which is unfortunately a result of trying to hang a boss's unbeatability on a when struck counter).

PureRage-DoD · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:33 am **Posts:** 4291

What? counterless skills are already popular for that reason, you could do the same with hydra so its not a specific character check at all, meteor will also do the job. He has a ranged AI so he won't chase the player down. How much magic resist did the barb have? You didn't even bother asking, you just instantly jumped on the "NERF NERF NERF" waggon. 30% resist drops that damage down to less than a bone spear from the necro and thats easy to get (tyraels and 2 wisps).

What is concerning me is you are balancing endgame content when you haven't actually seen the end game content in how long now?

Ps. lets not forget that bone spirit is a fast moving skill that can't be avoided by ranged builds and using fast attacks on any other countering boss isn't suicide.... wait, what.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Just how is 30% magic resist is supposed to majorly drop an enemy's magic damage when that enemy has -100 enemy magic resists in all difficulties? Also Squelch insists that due to some plug in the magic resist of characters now unintentionally suffers the difficulty penalty (I personally find the credibility suspect on that claim though).

--Double Post--
Could someone check Soulmancer's at P8? His health setting is higher than any other boss so I just want to make sure it isn't able to roll over.

tucker · **Posted:** Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:15 pm

well, more experienced players should try it too (preferably in a party). i started last season and was in los only once. this fight wasn't easy, there was critical moments. maybe its easier in a party, but it seems hard enough. i doubt any other build can solo it. melees are hopeless, 4-5 knockback spell in a row and you're far away and you 1shot yourself anyway. IM doesn't even matter. if you're away you can run from the bone spirit, which is easier with sins (bos, vigor boots and lot of frw). how can you boost him against trappers?

barb had only a tyrael, i didn't know what to expect. with oak he would have more life too.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Actually I know of a way to boost him against trappers... however... it would require the creation of brand new skill(s) and the boss no longer relying on on CTC when struck to nail enemies.

CTC when struck is highly likely to be at worst in reality anti-party and at best begging for an effectively counterless build such as a trapper to exploit the boss. If this wasn't an emergency balance patch to quickly get balance back on track I'd personally work at stripping bosses of most of their CTC when struck and replace the mon prop slots with other things to make the fights challenging in other ways.

JnDmX · **Joined:** Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:28 pm **Posts:** 183

Baerk wrote:

Actually I know of a way to boost him against trappers... however... it would require the creation of brand new skill(s) and the boss no longer relying on on CTC when struck to nail enemies.

CTC when struck is highly likely to be at worst in reality anti-party and at best begging for an effectively counterless build such as a trapper to exploit the boss. If this wasn't an emergency balance patch to quickly get balance back on track I'd personally work at stripping bosses of most of their CTC when struck and replace the mon prop slots with other things to make the fights challenging in other ways.

Im not trying to be rude Baerk because im thankful for the hard work you've put in. But you're sounding an awful lot like Blue atm. And Counters is Hell Unleashed. They've existed since pratically the beginning, This isn't Baerk's mod, this is Hell Unleashed lets leave the main gameplay mechanic alone for now please.

PureRage-DoD · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:33 am **Posts:** 4291

since when was it an emergency balance patch? An emergency patch would have been a patch released 2-3 weeks after reset. The emergency was months ago, its turned into an inconvenience now. There is plenty of time.

We don't want the game completely redesigned, (removing all counters etc.) as lets be honest, you will probs be back at AM once it goes live and everyone will be left with it. What happened to small adjustments? It seems we swapped one evil for another now.

Quote:

begging for an effectively counterless build such as a trapper to exploit the boss

you mean like moloch, diablo, amon, de sies, glasya, cold council member, icon of evil, or coldworm? Choosing to use a non countering skill isn't abusing a boss, its adjusting to suit. You think that lightning zons are abusing bosses when they don't use charged strike? It's not exploiting, its being smart.

Ps. trapper is NOT counterless, infact it has 2 of the most counter heavy skill in the game (inferno trap and charged bolt sentry). The problem is the counters are going for the traps, not that they don't cause counters... Luckily, I can fix that with a quick missile adjustment.

The boss isn't something that should be runnable/farmable, even if it takes 2 ladders until someone manages to beat him or even if he is never beat at all. It's supposed to be the final challenge, something for folks who have done everything else a thousand times to attempt. If you nerf him any further, he will be easier than the LoS bosses are, and thats not right. You keep dodging the question when I ask you how you find them so I'll assume you haven't actually tried them and are going solely on the text files rather than personal experience. Looking at the files is fine, but knowing how they behave is a whole other story. One counter you could remove is the LoS necro's bone cages, they have been abused way too long now. Also, fix the inferno bug, its still possible.

If you do make the boss easier, then I insist you rename/brand it. By all rights he should be able to destroy every char that geat near him in 1 shot as he is the creator of that world.
He has the same hp as the LoS necro has as that is the row I copied. I only changed his AI and skills and resists. If he is over then the necro is also over.

Instead of worrying about optional content, maybe you should focus on the main storyline and balancing that. Having an optional boss that is near impossible at the very end of the game isn't much of a big deal, there are 3 difficultys to worry about and 100 character levels before that remember.

JnDmX wrote:

Im not trying to be rude Baerk because im thankful for the hard work you've put in. But you're sounding an awful lot like Blue atm. And Counters is Hell Unleashed. They've existed since pratically the beginning, This isn't Baerk's mod, this is Hell Unleashed lets leave the main gameplay mechanic alone for now please.

You are not the only one with concerns about the way this seems to be going at the min. Small adjustments to existing stuff please not a complete redesign of the way the mod plays...

JnDmX · **Joined:** Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:28 pm **Posts:** 183

Well to be honest Kev im confused as to how a party based mod is being tested on single player. EVERYTHING in this game should be balanced according to team play. AS that is the main focus (or at least was once upon a time) of this mod. Now i've done very little to nil of work on this mod. Ive made my suggestions and ive given my opinions. Im not a tester nor will I be til it comes live on the servers. But to be honest at this given point im a lil skeptical it will be. As every little thing is offsetting the time frame of release. We were supposed to be reseting in the next week and yet we havent even gone live on the servers.

Now dont confuse this rant as me not being appreciative. Because I am appreciative to everyone whos puting real work in on this patch. (volunteer work i may add)

Steel · **Joined:** Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:02 pm **Posts:** 1627

Quote:

Well to be honest Kev im confused as to how a party based mod is being tested on single player.

changes are being tested if they work(lower phys res too). Or I missed something.

LockDown · **Posted:** Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:34 am

Don't want shit to go live. Hence Single Player testing for the current time. I believe Steel has tried to co-ordinate some Open testing as well.

PureRage-DoD · **Joined:** Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:33 am **Posts:** 4291

Sp testing is vital to polish it up and double check values. Monster balancing should be done in 2's or 3's though.Co-ordinating open testing sessions can be a real bitch tho.

snakzz · **Joined:** Sat May 28, 2011 4:10 am **Posts:** 480

I know its possible hard to achive, but personally i would like to see soulmancer be impossible to solo on any char, but that he would require the almost perfect or close to perfect setup to stand a chance against him..

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Currently no nerfs have actually been coded to Soulmancer yet. The reason why I'm concerned over Soulmancer's HP though is because in the monstats.txt the LOS heros have a hp setting of 25k yet Soulmancer's is 30k (it was like that when I bothered to look).

The only edits I've done to Soulmancer so far was give him NM difficulty monprops and one adjustment to the hell diff monprops. There was one prop slot for hell difficulty that was a proc but the paremeters looked more like it was the magic pierce property being converted to a proc but the parameters were not changed (so I changed the proc to magic pierce to match the normal diff magic pierce).

Since others are actually showing similar sentiments concerning Soulmancer though I'll just scrap the nerf plans I had concerning Soulmancer.

snakzz · **Joined:** Sat May 28, 2011 4:10 am **Posts:** 480

would also be cool if there was any way to make him unsoloable even for trappers and other classes/builds with same possibilites. Dont know if thats possible tho?

Verb · **Posted:** Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:27 am

is it possible to get the pierce synergy on vengence to work? they get pierce from the holy shock/fire/cold auras. But from what I've read on the forum it doesnt work, is that something that can be fixed?

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

snakzz wrote:

would also be cool if there was any way to make him unsoloable even for trappers and other classes/builds with same possibilites. Dont know if thats possible tho?

There's only one way to do such a thing and that's to rig the boss with a new manual attack scheme that happens to be nigh impossible to dodge (trying to oppose builds that don't directly eat their counter hits such as trappers or don't generate counters at all with counters is futile).

Right now Soulmancer generally uses Hoarfrost for ranged combat. It would have to change to some sort of multishot clone with hyper fast projectiles so that even if the trapper runs to the side to dodge the wave's just simply too huge to run around in time.

I don't recall a pierce psynergy for vengence though... would have to look into it.
--Double Post--
Concerning the pierce mentioned in Vengeance's description... there's no attempt at pierce anywhere in the skill itself. Maybe that part of the description is legacy and wasn't properly updated to reflect the actual coded pierce amounts like how the immo arrow description had the wrong amount listed for for a synergy.

tucker · **Posted:** Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:24 am

*23:elemental set parts grant +20 oskill meteor, glacial spike and thunder storm when fully equipped - you put here one *, but its not correct, as i said these 0skill spells are on each item written with blue, they are not set bonuses, not requiring the other parts. if you fixed it, then its **

27:Medi on holy amulets replaced with prayer - Good
31:topaz craft armor caps at +1 skills - Not working, 2nd craft had +2 skills.
45:hurricane missiles no longer effected by slow missiles - Good
59:higher ele bowa skills mana costs cut in half, turned to proper 60 point builds - Good
60:added freezing/cold bolts to replace fires magic arrows - Good

i realized, that blood gloves get deadly strike. i received between 7-10% in 10 attempts.

Verb · **Posted:** Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:08 am

I know its not part of the description but if you 1 point any of the holy auras you'll see the pierce show up on vengence.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

I've been working on creating the multishot clone I was talking about. Same damage tiers as baal's hoarfrost, actually somewhat faster moving, and a hellava lot harder to dodge with running since it's a 31 projectile multi-shot wave of ice. I also gave it a shotgun effect. With this I suspect it will be impossible to tank at close range. Even if the asn uses dragon flight to dodge the initial shot and end up right on top of Soulmancer the next shot would surely cause some heavier damage despite claw block. For some forsaken reason though even though this new skill always manages to hit an assassin with 70% claw block it fails to knockback that same assassin for some reason.

@verb I saw the description myself in single player. As far as I can tell with Vengeance's description its just simply the skill description txt file saying Vengeance has something it really doesn't. Since I haven't really heard anything about Vengeance needing more pierce the best course of action would probably be to remove those pierce lines since they are misleading.

@tucker Must of misread your 23 earlier. I'll also look into 31 now that I'm done working out creating a new boss skill.

Steel · **Joined:** Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:02 pm **Posts:** 1627

*23
Set "add func" to 2 and move oskills from prop3(4items equipped) to prop2(3 items equipped). I'll test it right away.
edit: it gives +20 glacial/meteo/thunderstorm that way, otherwise not.

blinky99 · **Joined:** Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:45 am **Posts:** 977

will lvl 20 glacial metor t storm do any dmg?

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

Actually it will be lvl 22+ depending on gear. But considering how the skills were originally balanced with sorc masteries being active in mind I doubt their damage will be by any means spectacular.

On an other note...

I will be releasing a round two test patch soon. All the Double star entries will be purged of their stars and people will have the chance to double check my fixes. Soulmancer boss will be having his hoarfrost move replaced by a mechanically far more brutal skill called "Mancer Shot" in the skill txt files. I'll be throwing in a couple other misc fixes such as making scaling summon resists actually work (druid wolves/bear have them but weren't implemented properly).

Verb · **Posted:** Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:17 am

um on smite it says that it gets 15% damage from defiance but it doesnt seem to work.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

I fear the edam% calculation might be hardcoded. I just checked the txt file on my side and the coding for the damage synergy is there properly but it isn't occurring in game on my side as well. I tried looking around skill descriptions as well to no avail.

--Double Post--

Now that I think about what happened with my tinkering for smite's skill description it might just be that the skill description's calculation and what it displays for the character screen is hardcoded. Try a lvl 1 smite with low str/dex and see if there's actually a difference between hard lvl 0 and 20 defiance for smiting.

Steel · **Joined:** Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:02 pm **Posts:** 1627

It was discussed long time ago, smite damage description is hardcored to read % from par1/2. I think PureRage proposed to move synergy from smite to holyshield's extra damage.

Baerk · **Joined:** Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm **Posts:** 815

So it will be best for preventing confusion to just simply remove the synergy from smite then. Didn't Smite's damage just receive a couple buffs anyways?

Steel · **Joined:** Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:02 pm **Posts:** 1627

Well, Ias from gear, higher shield damage... Could lower synergy a bit then.

ki4m · **Joined:** Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:26 am **Posts:** 285

can you add this map plugin to the patch?(wider maggot tunnels):
http://phrozenkeep.hugelaser.com/forum/ ... 81&t=58280

SP BETA TEST 2nd Patch

Who is online