To fix the problem mainly we have to look at the end game weapons for Hdins Zealers and every other build. Astreon's tries to be too many things at once and this detracts from it being an answer like the other 95 weapons. It's a truly a Jack of all Trades Master of None. The high requirement's really hurt HDins. However giving them an extra point won't fix the problems they have. Giving the auras passives like Kevin suggested would fix a lot of melee zealers problems giving them crit and leech. We could also take this further having Concentration or Holy Shield give a life boost per hard point among other things.

I think the first initial change to Paladins should be FoH... For the final skill in the "magic" tree its awfully weak late. Especially for a single target cast spell. And it's mana cost is just horrid. I think the bolts that radiate out need to be an element of some kind. Perhaps lightning? Obviously u cant change FoH to elemental dmg bolt at all because of conviction's power. But the bolts that spawn out of the inital blast could be something elemental..

Max Sanc Foh and Synergy's With Heavens Will Clear RoS faster than anything outside of a stacked dexzon with sanc armor.

Actually FOH does have an element on its bolts that spray out... magic damage. It's just magic damage that will only harm undead just like holy bolt. Changing the element won't help unless the skill's targeting/hit functions are changed.

15k top end with 13k bolts... Could we possibly... make the bolts hit non-undeads? I'm not sure if we can without making holy bolt do the same.

the only thing i look at about changing it tho is if you buff the damage and cause it to also damage all monsters where would this leave hammerdins then? that and do we really want to give healers that much offense? kinda double edged sword on this one.

shame the holy column dont accept calcs . then you could use a conditional that would make the bolts hit all enemys only if you didnt have a point in prayer.

thorns, lol. switch it to return flat damage would be ok with me. At least you could control and scale it against monster hp that way.

However, the melee Palis will not have their main issues addressed (I don't think I need to elaborate there?).

go ahead and elaborate

go ahead and elaborate

This change is far too broad considering the problems with the paladin are extremely specific and related to the zealer/hammerdins damage.

True and what i proposed was add a % of CB per hard point into sacrifice or even Zeal... Say .5 % per 1 hard point. That gives them a bit of an edge I would think. As far as hammerdins... The only suggestion i can make itemize a few higher items with it in mind.. But even then..

Actually the zeal bug (you miss once and you miss for the rest of the attack cycle) pretty makes it so you need at least 3x the AR to have the same actual hit chance as other builds. Zeal may be a very fast attack but if you aren't good on AR the whiff factor could prove crippling.

this thread is nul. the 6 stat pally change will not take effect.

this thread is nul. the 6 stat pally change will not take effect.