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 Post subject: why why why fire druid
PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:16 am 

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Why is there a summon cast delay on molten boulder? this makes absolutely no sence to me. i recast oak and have to wait. if i decide to get bear... well fucks me.

would these type of fire dru revamps be possible or over kill:

-Speed boulder up alittle. maybe like old ice bolt speed.
-No Summon cast delays on boulder....
-also make cyclone armor the first skill of that tier so its an easy 1 pointer.
-possibly make the bolder kb more monsters. they explode on almost everything to me. or something to make up for the fact that they dont peirce like nado. maybe 3 bolders total at hard point lvl 20.

maybe im being pre mature and shoulda gone cano. i dont know. just looking to discuss fire druids in general

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:59 am 
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Imperial wrote:
No Summon cast delays on boulder....

This seems sensible to me with the one exception of perhaps serious lag issues with the graphics.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:16 am 

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maybe 3 boulders would be overkill but. how would boulder dmg stack up with meteor with the same lvl and same amound into syns? i have no idea myself.

are all the things posted easily done?(not hard coded)

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:50 am 

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I've noticed on the Fire Druid... armageddon and firestorm are stand out skills and volcano and molten boulder are VERY under powered and the physical damage is almost useless.. would be awesome if the phys dmg on either was trash worthy. The only sufficient 2ndary skill is firestorm and kind of takes out the caster portion of the druid and integrates it more into a melee/caster.. nothing wrong with that I guess but regardless would still be nice to volcano and molten improved a bit.. I have the best possible gear and they are still very under powered and mediocre I'd say. Early on they were pretty good though.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:49 am 
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I would ask steel about his fire druid and see how well he rolls with it.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:07 pm 

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boulder druid is still only 45 but he has top top low end gear. but still seems massively under powered if compared at all to a windy at his lvl and gear or even a meteor sorc he seems to suck. If the explosion was identicle to a meteor explosion dmg wise i think that would help.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:13 pm 
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blue_myriddn wrote:
Imperial wrote:
No Summon cast delays on boulder....

This seems sensible to me with the one exception of perhaps serious lag issues with the graphics.


this is a major issue with no CD on boulder. Keep in mind that a buff to volcano willalso buff marilyths etc too since they also use it. Not tht I'd be against buffing volcano, it still seems garbage compared to the other skills and just causes insane counters on any meaningful boss.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:23 pm 
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How good is fissure and firestorm, and how do they affect boss counters.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:27 pm 

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one of my team had a fissure drui and he changed to complete firestorm because of fissures uselessness.

i dont really want cano buffed. i want boulder buffed :P cast delay is fine as long as the explosion would be comparable to meteor and the phys dmg was worth it

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:38 pm 
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firestorm causes no counters but don't stop the boss healing. Fissure seems about the same as volcane and pretty much works the same too with a diff graphic.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:03 pm 
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Some of the skills seem really weird when tested in single player. The problem I have with it is that you lack a spell that deals with boss like monsters and bosses themselves.

If fire druids had something like meteor or blizzard they would be too good though.

Imagine sitting back in wearbear form+oak at some obsene amount of hp for a caster and putting a rock on your mouse button and go do the laundry.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:05 am 

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can u cast all fire skills in bear or wolf form? if so then that should be changed. and then just buff boudler dmg to that close to meteor and u have a winner fire caster option. eh?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:34 am 
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Rasta wrote:
...If fire druids had something like meteor or blizzard they would be too good though...


I suggested this quite some time ago. I've always liked this idea. I've even made the skill before. 'Just' clone blizzard, give fire sound effects, 'geddon missile meteor visual, and change damage to fire. (blizzard has like 4 lines or something in missiles.txt). I probably have a readme stashed on it if anybody ever wants to implement it.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:58 am 

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seems like we have some real good ideas and inputs coming for this. what would it take for blue to put some ideas to work?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:56 am 
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just redo to windy dru if don't like fire as it is. It's totally different build, maybe he lacks of dmg windy posses, delay on everything but it's fun to see all these fireworks.
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and then just buff boudler dmg to that close to meteor and u have a winner fire caster option. eh?
Boulder dmg is epic btw.
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I would ask steel about his fire druid and see how well he rolls with it.
There's not much to say about him really, also I'm not good at explaining things.
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Fissure seems about the same as volcane and pretty much works the same too with a diff graphic.
yes, missiles vulc produces works like a fissure, vulc as it is works more like meteo with massive counter rate, but hell, it rapes wyrms.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:58 am 
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Imperial wrote:
seems like we have some real good ideas and inputs coming for this. what would it take for blue to put some ideas to work?


A political protest, a revolution, and a meteor to strike the earth near his house.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:06 am 
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Imperial wrote:
seems like we have some real good ideas and inputs coming for this. what would it take for blue to put some ideas to work?

The way to ensure it gets in is to take the time to build/test the skills yourself and zip up your text files.

But yes - i am unlikely to tackle this project anytime soon if ever as I don't know how to mod skills.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:08 pm 
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If anybody is interested.

http://phrozenkeep.hugelaser.com/forum/ ... re#p402169

i could redo this, and add in the things left out/suggested, etc, but i don't really want to burn the time unless there is interest from those who help organize decisions.

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