rip deathnova(healer) to dk charger minion. there was only 1 left too!
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| Author: | Pious [ Fri May 23, 2014 8:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | no hp buffs crusade! |
i want to do a fresh playthrough on hc with no hp buffs. that means no passive hp buffs and no party hp buffs. this is partly for fun and partly to find out just how big of an effect hp buffs have on the overall game difficulty. the objective is to kill hell baal. *characters banned from party: shapeshift druids (they get hp buffs) psn zon, immolation zon, hydra sorc. *there will be NO single spawning. party size should be limited accordingly. |
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| Author: | muleofal [ Fri May 23, 2014 8:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
How often/much time are we talking about? I would be interested, can't devote forever to it but probably an hour or two a night on weeknights and maybe some time on weekends depending on what i have going on. But interested nonetheless. Thinking of what the character will be If i do this. edit: Are things like rubies in gear (HP%) and HP% gear allowed? Is this restriction just limited to skills and gear giving skills (war, cta, etc)? |
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| Author: | Pious [ Fri May 23, 2014 8:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
a fairly substantial amount of time will be needed to do this successfully. no passive hp buffs or party hp buffs will be allowed. |
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| Author: | muleofal [ Fri May 23, 2014 8:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
I'm in for the challenge. I can probably roll through 2-3 hours a night between 7 and 11pm eastern each night during the week and more time on the weekends when I am home (usually every other weekend). One other major question of mine: are we allowed to bring any gear we currently have, or is this a completely new thing altogether (as in a fresh ladder start)? |
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| Author: | muleofal [ Fri May 23, 2014 8:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
I'm in for the challenge. I can probably roll through 2-3 hours a night between 7 and 11pm eastern each night during the week and more time on the weekends when I am home (usually every other weekend). One other major question of mine: are we allowed to bring any gear we currently have, or is this a completely new thing altogether (as in a fresh ladder start)? |
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| Author: | Pious [ Fri May 23, 2014 8:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
this is going to be done on non-ladder, so no items whatsoever from any existing characters. |
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| Author: | Nova [ Fri May 23, 2014 5:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
I'm totally up for it. I'm on right now with four days off. |
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| Author: | slappyNuts [ Fri May 23, 2014 7:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
only if i can play holy bolt pali lol |
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| Author: | Pious [ Sat May 24, 2014 11:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
bombs away! |
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| Author: | Pappy [ Sat May 24, 2014 11:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
im in, ill play a non bo barb or a sin be back in a few hours to get started |
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| Author: | Ensley03 [ Tue May 27, 2014 7:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
What's the status on this? I may be interested in playing some. |
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| Author: | Pious [ Wed May 28, 2014 7:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
theres about 10 folks or so at different points in the game. some in a2, others in a1, some in a5. |
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| Author: | ao2005 [ Sat May 31, 2014 7:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
Oh shit. |
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| Author: | Pious [ Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
in hell a2 with a healer, smiter, mentalsin and meteor sorc. i was expecting more of a challenge, given that we dont even have a summoner with us. i'm definitely starting to believe hp buffs need to go to the chopping block if a future patch happens. |
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| Author: | Nova [ Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
Scratch the healer. |
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| Author: | Pious [ Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
rip deathnova(healer) to dk charger minion. there was only 1 left too! |
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| Author: | slappyNuts [ Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
map awareness>hp buffs |
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| Author: | slappyNuts [ Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
on a more serious note, I'm starting to think this crusade is proving that juvs are actually more of the problem than hp. As long as you have enough life/mitigation to not get 1 shot, and a lot of juvs + decent reactions, you can tank anything indefinitely by juving every time you take damage. My guess is that unless one of you takes an unlucky amp+confuse nado at darkness, if you guys get passed meph you will do everything up until samy, los, and sm, because 6k life is simply not enough to tank them imo. i actually like drrod's idea from the other thread, making juvs less effective like 10 or 20% as an easy fix |
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| Author: | Pious [ Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
i think a better idea is to remove the juvs 
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| Author: | muleofal [ Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
I was thinking the same thing before slappy. The juvs just replace the life buffs... you just need more of them. But as long as you can handle a hit or two and have enough juvs, you can stay alive. But I'm in the same boat as pious: you have to remove them outright. Now I think that may bring on a lot more created healer pallies and summoners, but at the very least, removal of the juvs will create more of a need to focus on strategy, party synergy, and gearing for defense rather than complete damage. If anything, I'd remove the juvs before removing the hp buffs, although those could very easily be chopped in half (at least). |
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| Author: | muleofal [ Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
In terms of progress: I have hit nightmare A2 going solo from A4 normal on. I have been rolling between 2 characters and bringing a 3rd along: mentalsin, fire trapper, es light sorc (which i started leveling after I hit nightmare). - Mentalsin is mainly for bosses, as it's only a 40 point build and the tab makes for a strong fade/clawblock/shadow master, as well as not having counters with psychic hammer. Not very good with trash (mind blast converts too often, for too long, not enough aoe, not enough damage, no physical pierce available except amp which isnt enough, mana-costly). It's a matter of gearing for the bosses to mitigate damage, and with much smaller HP pools, red potions become a lot more useful. There are some very shitty gear options for weapons though on this character (runewords are good but good luck finding the runes for the appropriate level - I will be making a suggestion for a fix on runes. Finding level 40 and 50 runes when youre hitting level 80+ is so stupid). - Fire trapper and light sorc are for trash and maybe some bosses that the mindsin cannot handle. The gear options here are better. As mentioned before, it's about mitigating the damage you take, taking your time to run around, dodge attacks, cast when you can etc. The battles are longer but not really more difficult... it's about gear and potion preparation. A lot of times people just don't bring enough rejuvenation/health/mana potions and say "this is too hard to progress without a party or better gear," but most of the time its all available to you (runes/runewords excluded). |
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| Author: | Sapphire Rawk [ Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
As a result of the experience so far, I would like to see juvs removed, hp buff skills reduced by 50%, and reds buffed a lot, like double for barbs and dins, tripled for everyone else. Reds are so bad on druids it's not even funny. |
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| Author: | slappyNuts [ Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
the only problem i see about removing juvs is having no way of dealing with big spikes of damage (there are a lot of them in hu) we could add another form of mitigation. Like a Fire Retardant Potion that temporarily increases your max fire sorb or res and is on maybe a minute cooldown, so if you get caged+firestorm+lightning hosed at diablo you have an option besides die or s/e, for example |
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| Author: | Pious [ Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: no hp buffs crusade! |
we hit hell a4 but to be honest i've been rather disappointed with the push. i was hoping for more of a challenge from not having hp buffs. so far none of the bosses we've fought was really that hard. nm baal was a longer fight that the rest but not terribly difficult. |
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