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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:37 pm 

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Quivers no longer consume arrows. Adding them as unique items would be a nice addition to the game. I hacked those stats quickly together. So any discussion is welcome.

Arrows:
- Level 20 Leather Quiver:
- 10% Faster Run/Walk
- Cannot be Frozen

- Level 40 Marksman Quiver:
- 20% Increased Attack Speed
- 10 To All Resistances

- Level 60 Archer Quiver:
- + 2-4 to Vigor (oskill)
- 25% Chance of Deadly Strike

- Level 80 Bow Quiver:
- +1 to Amazon Skill Levels
- Slain Monsters Rest in Peace

Bolts:
- Level 20 Sparkles:
- 5% Fire Skill Damage
- Fires exploding bolts

- Level 40 Ground Quiver:
- Knockback
- 50 To Mana

- Level 60 Iron Tip:
- 15 to Max Damage
- 15 to Strength
- 15 to Dexterity

- Level 80 Field Quiver:
- +1 to Amazon Skill Levels
- + 100 to Life

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:58 pm 
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balancing aside, this should've been implemented by blizzard ages ago!

But is it possible without too much effort?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:06 pm 
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Yes I just allowed quivers and bolts to spawn as unique now. The only downside is they have to be allowed to spawn as magic and superior also, but that's not really a huge deal. They will be regular mob drop only, I don't think bosses are coded to drop arrows/quivers at the min.

Edit: any name suggestions or should I just blank out the name so they would just be called "Arrows" and "Bolts" on the unique version. (I suck at naming stuff)

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:26 pm 

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Updated some names. If you think they suck, leave them blank for now.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:54 pm 

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Working on some suggestions, give me a few minutes.


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added the above and buffed them a bit

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:27 pm 

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PureRage-DoD wrote:
added the above and buffed them a bit


I'm almost done with my suggestions, just need to figure names for the bolts.

Sytaris wrote:
Quivers no longer consume arrows. Adding them as unique items would be a nice addition to the game. I hacked those stats quickly together. So any discussion is welcome.

Arrows:
- Level 20 Leather Quiver: (Faith of the Sisterhood)
- 5% chance to cast Slow missile on striking
- 15-20% Faster run walk
- 5 to Dexterity
- 7 mana after each kill


- Level 40 Marksman Quiver:(Kumari's Art)
- +1 to Bow and Arrow
- 10-20% Increased Attack Speed
- 5-10 To All Resistances
- 4-7 to cold skill damage
- 4-7 to fire skill damage


- Level 60 Archer Quiver:(Storm on Karcheus/Storm Of Karcheus)
- + 2-4 to Vigor (Aura on equip)
- + 1 to Bow and Arrow skills
- -3-6 to enemy cold resist
- -3-6 to enemy fire resist
- +8-16 all resists


- Level 80 Bow Quiver: Athulua's Touch/ Athulua's Blessing / Athulua's Wrath)
- +1 to Amazon skill level
- +10-25 to dexterity
- +10-25 all resists
- 4-9 to enemy cold resist
- 4-9 to enemy fire resist
- +15-30% Attack speed

Bolts:
- Level 20 Sparkles:( Siege Herald )
- Fires exploding bolts
- +10-15% Attack speed
- +5 Dexterity
- +3-6 damage
- 5% mana stolen per hit

- Level 40 Ground Quiver: (Valeeva's Legacy)
- +10-25% Attack speed
- +5-10 damage
- Knockback
- 50 To Mana
- 5-10 to dexterity
- 3-5% mana stolen per hit
- 3-5% Life stolen per hit

- Level 60 Iron Tip:( Supremacy of the Clan)
- +1 to Bows and arrows
- +30-50% Enhanced damage
- 8-16 to Dexterity
- +15-30% attack speed
- 5-8% mana stolen per hit
- +125-175% Attack rating

- Level 80 Field Quiver: (Pride of the Matriarch)
- +1 to Amazon Skill Levels
- + 2.5-3.75hp/level (200-300 at level 80. Gives a huge bonus, but isn't affected by hp% bonus)
- +15-35% Attack speed
- +45-75% Enhanced damage
- +7-12% mana stolen per hit
- + 12-20 dexterity



Redone suggestions for the third time. Should be more balanced now.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 4:01 am 
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Pierce on arrows isn't needed. Ama passively have pierce from skill. 10 points means 54% pierce. At lvl60 it caps at 75% so it shouldn't be more than 25%. +35/40% or even 50% pierce is too high. But if you want to keep that then you have to reduce it for at least +10/15% and 20%.

If the Lvl 60 Quiver got aura then the Lvl 60 Bolts should so. Give it a 2-4 Blessed aim.

Lvl 80 Bolts vs Quiver. Fana vs Redemption? Redemption not that good as Fana, so switch Redemption to Conviction.

anyway good set-up


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:34 am 
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i really like the ideas, but riem your stats are over the top

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:01 pm 

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slappyNuts wrote:
i really like the ideas, but riem your stats are over the top



Worst case scenario, you can always just take the names.Took me a while to come up with those, and almost all of them are based on diablo lore.

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Pierce on arrows isn't needed. Ama passively have pierce from skill. 10 points means 54% pierce. At lvl60 it caps at 75% so it shouldn't be more than 25%. +35/40% or even 50% pierce is too high. But if you want to keep that then you have to reduce it for at least +10/15% and 20%.

Nobody is going to get a level 60 pierce mate. 25% pierce would be fine for both.


If the Lvl 60 Quiver got aura then the Lvl 60 Bolts should so. Give it a 2-4 Blessed aim.

I'd rather give it 125-175% bonus AR instead of 2-4 blessed aim.

Lvl 80 Bolts vs Quiver. Fana vs Redemption? Redemption not that good as Fana, so switch Redemption to Conviction.
You get very little lifesteal out of pure elemental skills. Thats why redemption is there. A level 1 conviction is equivalent to 25% pierce. If I do that, I have to remove the flat pierce and that kills the variance on the quiver. I'd rather remove fanaticism.

anyway good set-up


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:01 pm 

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- Level 80 Bow Quiver:(Athulua's Touch/ Athulua's Blessing / Athulua's Wrath)
- +1 to Amazon skill level
- +2 to Bow and arrows
- +25 to dexterity
- Slain Monsters Rest in Peace (Make it Redemption on equip. Level irrelevant)
- +25 all resists
- 15-20 to enemy cold resist
- 15-20 to enemy fire resist
- +30% Attack speed
- 25% Pierce
- Slows target 15%

Sounds like huge buff to elemental zons


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:32 pm 

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Riem821 wrote:
PureRage-DoD wrote:
added the above and buffed them a bit


I'm almost done with my suggestions, just need to figure names for the bolts.

Sytaris wrote:
Quivers no longer consume arrows. Adding them as unique items would be a nice addition to the game. I hacked those stats quickly together. So any discussion is welcome.

Arrows:
- Level 20 Leather Quiver: (Faith of the Sisterhood)
- 5% chance to cast Slow missile on striking
- 15-20% Faster run walk
- 5 to Dexterity
- 5 mana after each kill
- Cannot be Frozen( removed, no need for this until way later in the game, and it allows us to place it on other quivers.)

- Level 40 Marksman Quiver: (Kumari's Art)
- +1 to Bow and Arrow
- 20% Increased Attack Speed
- 10 To All Resistances
- 5-8 to cold skill damage
- 5-8 to fire skill damage


- Level 60 Archer Quiver: (Storm on Karcheus/Storm Of Karcheus)
- + 2-4 to Vigor (Aura on equip)
- + 1-2 to Bow and Arrow skills

- 25% Chance of Deadly Strike (removed. Bows are usually used for elemental damage and crossbows for their higher physical damage output. On top of that, 4 skills in critical strike gives twice the crit chance)
- Cannot be Frozen
- -8-12 to enemy cold resist
- -8-12 to enemy fire resist
- +15-25 all resists
- 25% Pierce
- +10-20 Dexterity


- Level 80 Bow Quiver:(Athulua's Touch/ Athulua's Blessing / Athulua's Wrath)
- +1 to Amazon skill level
- +2 to Bow and arrows
- +25 to dexterity
- Slain Monsters Rest in Peace (Make it Redemption on equip. Level irrelevant)
- +25 all resists
- 15-20 to enemy cold resist
- 15-20 to enemy fire resist
- +30% Attack speed
- 25% Pierce
- Slows target 15%


Bolts:
- Level 20 Sparkles: ( Siege Herald )
- 5% Fire Skill Damage (Removed)
- Fires exploding bolts
- +15% Attack speed
- +10 Dexterity
- +5-10 damage
- 5% mana stolen per hit


- Level 40 Ground Quiver: (Valeeva's Legacy)
- +15-25% Attack speed
- +15-30 damage

- Knockback
- 50 To Mana
- 15-20 to dexterity
- 6-9% mana stolen per hit
- 6-9% Life stolen per hit


- Level 60 Iron Tip: ( Supremacy of the Clan)
- +1 to Bows and arrows
- +30-30 damage
- +80-120% Enhanced damage

- 10-15 to Strength
- 15-2/color]5 to Dexterity
[color=#FF0000] - +20-30% attack speed
- 3/5% chance of crushing blow
- 25 mana after each kill
- 12% life stolen per hit
- +125-175% Attack rating


- Level 80 Field Quiver: (Pride of the Matriarch)
- +1 to Amazon Skill Levels
- + 100 to Life
- + 2 to bows and arrows
- +35-50 Min damage
- +65-80 max damage
- +25-35% Attack speed
- +135-165% Enhanced damage
- +15% life stolen per hit
- +5% chance of crushing blow
- + 25-40 dexterity




Suggestions in red.


These are cool names and decent ideas, but far overpowered. Probably need a 50-75% nerf.

We have to remember that bowzons are already in a somewhat balanced stage right now without any mods on their bows/quivers. Things like the level 80 quiver with 50+ flat damage, a lot of dext, CB, big ed%, big leech, 3 skills, etc is a huge damage buff.

I think the original proposed unique bows and quivers were in the right range. Something like +1all with 20frw and 25 dext would be plenty for an end game bow. That's still a lot of extra on top of what's already out there.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:35 pm 

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muleofal wrote:
These are cool names and decent ideas, but far overpowered. Probably need a 50-75% nerf.

We have to remember that bowzons are already in a somewhat balanced stage right now without any mods on their bows/quivers. Things like the level 80 quiver with 50+ flat damage, a lot of dext, CB, big ed%, big leech, 3 skills, etc is a huge damage buff.

I think the original proposed unique bows and quivers were in the right range. Something like +1all with 20frw and 25 dext would be plenty for an end game bow. That's still a lot of extra on top of what's already out there.


Then I'll nerf it further. Please remove my post quote as it is huge.


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You need to remember that this isn't like adding new rings/bows/armor. It's a full extra slot and the users lose nothing by choosing these quivers. Every stat is a buff so they need to be reigned in a bit from the suggestions.

Here is what you got:

Faith of the Sisterhood
Level 20 Arrow Quiver
15-20% Faster Run/Walk
All Resistances +5
5 Mana per Kill
5 Dexterity
5% chance to cast level 5 Slow missiles when striking



Kumari's Art
Level 40 Arrow Quiver
20% Increased Attack Speed
All Resistances +8
5% Fire Damage
5% Cold Damage
20-40 Fire Damaga
15-30 Cold Damage


Storm Of Karcheus
Level 60 Arrow Quiver
0-1 Bow and Crossbow Skills
Level 1-3 Vigor on equip
Cannot be Frozen
2-4% Fire Pierce
2-4% Cold Pierce
2-4% Magic Pierce


Athulua's Touch
Level 80 Arrow Quiver
1 Bow and Crossbow Skills
Level 2-3 Redemption on equip
Cannot be Frozen
5-8% Fire Pierce
5-8% Cold Pierce
10 Dexterity



Siege Herald
Level 20 Bolt Quiver
10% Increased Attack Speed
2-3% Mana Steal
5 Damage
10% Piercing Attack
Fires Freezing Bolts
5 Dexterity



Valeeva's Legacy
Level 40 Bolt Quiver
10% Increased Attack Speed
50 Mana
8-12 Damage
Knockback
2-5% Life Steal
5 Dexterity


Supremacy of the Clan
Level 60 Bolt Quiver
20% Increased Attack Speed
Level 2 Might on equip
10-20 Damage
25 Life Per Kill
10 Dexterity


Pride of the Matriarch
Level 80 Bolt Quiver
1 to Amazon Skill Levels
100 Life
10-20 Minimum Damage
20-30 Maximum Damage
6% Life Steal



Not had a chance to do much today as I can't really type for more than 2-3 minutes at a time. Won't be able to do much for the next week or so until I recover.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:56 pm 

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PureRage-DoD wrote:
You need to remember that this isn't like adding new rings/bows/armor. It's a full extra slot and the users lose nothing by choosing these quivers. Every stat is a buff so they need to be reigned in a bit from the suggestions.

Here is what you got:

Not had a chance to do much today as I can't really type for more than 2-3 minutes at a time. Won't be able to do much for the next week or so until I recover.

I just massively nerfed everything I suggested, so feel free to take a look.
I believe its important to have a lot of stat variance because those quivers are probably going to drop a lot.


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Added first new texture for upcoming Quivers.


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unlimited quantity on arrows lol.. its annoying or add replenish. It's a unique you shouldn't have to have 3-4 unique arrows in your stash. if you find one that should be a benefit.. not having to carry so many around.


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1.4 introduced non ammo using bow/xbow skills aside from the skills that are hard coded to use arrows (strafe and 1 other i forget) iirc.

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I realized I fucked up when I named the level 80 quiver.
For the sake of fitting with the theme of elemental quiver and physical bolts, we should swap the name of the level 80 quiver and bolt.

Athulua is the amazon goddess for seasons and weather and she specifically powers magic arrow, guided arrow and Valkyrie.

Sorry for fucking that one up.


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Wow! great work Sytaris :)

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I'm not really sure if I want the style for the level 80 quiver in the game like this. Do you think its genuine having particles on equipment?

Aside from that it's kinda missing it's actual theme.


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I am not a fan of that one. It does not fit the over all theme of the mod in my opinion.

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I think so too. So here is the current result. Will stick to this for now.


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awesome
btw it will be good if every unique arrows/bolts have replenish due to "hardcoded skills" as PureRage-DoD said.
I think that wouldn't be that much extra work.


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Doxorn wrote:
awesome
btw it will be good if every unique arrows/bolts have replenish due to "hardcoded skills" as PureRage-DoD said.
I think that wouldn't be that much extra work.


I think throwable would work better. It prevents the quivers from vanishing if it drops to 0 arrows.

Its not a pretty stat however.


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