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Author:  fisskk [ Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:52 am ]
Post subject:  (Thirst For) Knowledge Rw
This rw is crap? Death's Fathom is 61 pierce with 3 ubers in it.
Knowledge is 20 + 26 pierce (with lvl 7 convi).
You need to find a SUPER-good orb (3/3/3?) for it to be near as good as the 15 pierce you lose. Ok, you get some allres and fmr but damagewize its not good at all for a Zod and a Cham imo.
And lvl 1 - lvl 7 convi is a -1% enemy res progress apparently.
Author:  Baerk [ Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: (Thirst For) Knowledge Rw
The RW bonuses used to be this last patch:
+3 to Sorceress Skill Levels
+20 to Hurricane (OSKILL)
+50% Faster Cast Rate
Regenerate Mana 50%
Resist All +20-30%
Level 6 Conviction Aura When Equipped

The RW bonuses now outside of what's granted by the runes:
+5 to Sorceress Skills
Level 7 Conviction Aura When
Equipped
+50% Faster Cast Rate
-20% to Enemy Fire Resist
-20% to Enemy Cold Resist
-20% to Enemy Lightning Resist
Regenerate Mana 100%
All Resistances +(20 to 30)
Increased Maximum Mana 30%


Let's be honest... it was genuinely a bigger pile of crap before the buff. Also earlier people were content with the idea of it not having as much pierce since it could break some immunes.
Author:  fisskk [ Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: (Thirst For) Knowledge Rw
Ok, so its better now then. And yes, according to my old skill tables, lvl 7 convi was 58 pierce. Thats very high. But still, just 26 pierce aint good enough for the runes it costs. Or maybe deaths fathom is a little to good? About a 40-45 pierce convi would be more suitable imo. In my book, a Zod + Cham should result in an orb 2-3x times better than an orb you find for free. ^^
Author:  Baerk [ Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: (Thirst For) Knowledge Rw
2-3x better isn't happening... Besides the last impression I got concerning zod runewords compared to 95 class specifics general power comparison wise was it should be relatively close. Nothing prevents farming hell nihla and cubing up runes anyways. If anything the 95 class specific unique is arguably rarer than the zod and cham probably.

Also I personally view runes as more the chance to create a gear piece of your choice than something to be payed. Runes are just as "free" as fathom. It's just simply the runes have more than one option as to what could be done with them unlike fathom which is locked into one function.
Author:  fisskk [ Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: (Thirst For) Knowledge Rw
Im not sure but most of the zod-words are better than 95 uniques. It depends ofc, sometimes the unique is better for you (like in this case, more or less). And zods (or runes in general) have alot of stuff they can be used for like youre saying. The tradeworth is also alot higher because of that.

But anyway, thanks for replies!
Author:  kwikster [ Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: (Thirst For) Knowledge Rw
Conv and LR got blasted into near uselessness unless you max them these days. Last patch amp had similar values until people ran into phys res problem at bosses. Both could use a slight buff.

Compared to:
Fathom Dimensional Shard
+5 to Sorceress Skill Levels
+50% Faster Cast Rate
Regenerate Mana 50%
Increased Maximum Mana 50%
-25% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-25% to Enemy Cold Resistance
-25% to Enemy Lightning Resistance
+25% to Fire Skill Damage
+25% to Lightning Skill Damage
+25% to Cold Skill Damage
100% Chance to Cast Level 40 Bone Spear when Attacking
Socketed (3)

I'd still take it hands down over TFK. Only real loss is the res and conv, which can be obtained from other sources. Have a pally with 1 pointed conv (-28 to enemy res) and beyond RoF don't break many immunes.
Author:  PureRage-DoD [ Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: (Thirst For) Knowledge Rw
Even with old convic, I took Fathom over TFK.
Author:  Lee [ Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: (Thirst For) Knowledge Rw
Death Fathom is far more common than Zod/Cham and anyone who's played HU knows this. The 95s have different classes. I don't know the exact details how it works but Kevin does. Some 95's are far more rare than others. I can't tell you how many Death Fathoms/ShadowKIllers I've found and not a single Rlore/Dhorn/95pal/95 nec and 1 temps.

And yes Thirst For Knowledge sucks and if you haven't noticed most zod runewords do.
Author:  fisskk [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: (Thirst For) Knowledge Rw
Yeah, maybe youre right. I havent really looked into how good all of the zod-words are but my overall impression was that they are better than uniques. But ofc it depends on the item and what build you are.

And yes, some 95's are impossible to find while others drop quite frequently. Ive found several shadow killers and deaths fathom as well.
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