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 Post subject: make arrows stack to 1000 or 1500
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:13 am 

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arrows run out far too quickly with a fast bow and fanaticism


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:18 am 
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They drop a lot....so y can pick up them and have no problem.
You can also use those recipes:
2x Arrows ---> Bolts
2x Bolts ---> Arrows

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:59 am 

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That doesn't always help. Arrows and bolts are 1x3 inv space, and in HU many bosses or named monsters take a ton of arrows, you may not be getting drops of arrows around.

Melee weapons can be refreshed with a smith rune 1x1, but you go through a stack of arrows in.. assuming 9 fpa, about.. 180 seconds (500 arrows / 2.7 attacks per second). So every 3 minutes you have eaten an entire stack of arrows. Many boss fights take far more than 3 minutes, especially with stone skin or something, and that's assuming you came in with a full stack.

Melee weapons can also be made indestructible, which totally nullifies the durability issue. Arrows are like durability for bows.

It's just a real bitch to carry around a ton of arrows, or run out at an inopportune time.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:17 am 
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would be cool - i agree

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:35 am 
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theres always magic arrow for when you run out, just carry 4 spare quivers in the cube with you for bosses and have one on switch, one on main weap and 2 spare quivers in the inv. Thats usualy how I pack my arrows anyway. as soon as you use 1 quiver pick up another as you kill trash. 4000 arrows is plents for any boss and you can carry them easy enough in my opinion. you dont have to worry about emptying the cube to repair, just put 3 or 4 quivers in your inv when you come to any boss and magic arrow as a last resort.

Ps. If the boss is stone skin you will probs be using magic arrow anyway so you dont have to worry about losing arrows

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:57 am 

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Sacrificing 12 inventory spots just for arrows sucks. That is room I could be using for charms or storage. I'm usually tight on inventory space and 2 armors worth of space being dedicated to arrows blows. Why would you not want this?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:27 pm 
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i just dont see it as much of a problem, I tend to always pick up arrows whenever they drop, that keeps my quiver full and even just 1 spare in the inventory. zons are open to eth bows that dont need a zon so can go all out damage, they should have at least 1 down side

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:44 pm 

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I'm fine with the concept of arrows, I just wanted the stack to be larger.

As you note, non-bow eth weapons require 'indestructible' to be useful. Some weapons include this natively, and other times you need a Zod. Either way you can never need to repair your weapon. You can't ever not need arrows, unless you use magic arrows at the exclusion of all other attacks.

I find myself taking a long time to kill things in hell sometimes, and running low on arrows with none nearby, causing me to have to run back to town. The speed at which I run out of arrows is the main issue. It's like every other attack is causing a durability loss.


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arrows are more common than zod runes though

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you don't have to scour the ground for zod runes every 3 minutes ;)


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same with arrows if you go out prepared :D

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nobody is being forced to read it. :|

Edit: It's actualy a good idea, im just pointing out solutions that work now. I'm also abit bored waiting for a team, excuse my stupidness

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Bah!

If you don't have room for 2x3 in your cube then you're doing it wrong. Arrows are fine as they are, they drop often enough and if you run out then you can use magic arrow. Can't have everything handed to you.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:59 pm 

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Hey everyone, look! I'm Utter, and I think that having arrows stack in larger numbers is having everything handed to me.
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he makes a valid point though. melee chars dont have a magic arrow like skill they can use when the weapon breaks and forget smith runes. smith runes dont also drop. Like i said, its a nice idea but it is slightly cheap imo.

Ps. lets not resort to playground antics here. surely it can be discussed like adults without the kids stuff

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yeah sorry for sarcasm


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Impossible to make it so high. The bolt/arrow stack size is only 7 or 8 bits. I'm pretty sure it is 8 bits, which has a maximum value of 2^8 - 1 = 511.


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teprac wrote:
Hey everyone, look! I'm Utter, and I think that having arrows stack in larger numbers is having everything handed to me.
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Let's put it this way. Do you think mana should be changed so that you don't have to worry about running out of it? It's the same thing. You need to pick up mana pots, or limit your or your mercs weap to a insight or risk running out. Much like you have to pick up/buy arrows or limit your attack to magic arrow.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:14 am 

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It's not at all the same thing, and you saying it is doesn't make it so.

Mana is an entirely different mechanic than durability.


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jimbolia11 wrote:
Impossible to make it so high. The bolt/arrow stack size is only 7 or 8 bits. I'm pretty sure it is 8 bits, which has a maximum value of 2^8 - 1 = 511.


Well that solves that, thank you for the information.

How did you find that value by the way?


edit: Would it be possible to change arrows to 1x2 or 1x1 instead of 1x3 then?


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teprac wrote:
It's not at all the same thing, and you saying it is doesn't make it so.

Mana is an entirely different mechanic than durability.

We aren't talking about durablity, that's not the same as stack size...

And yes, mana and stack size is much like eachother. They govern how many attacks you can do before needing to refill said entity.


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teprac wrote:
jimbolia11 wrote:
Impossible to make it so high. The bolt/arrow stack size is only 7 or 8 bits. I'm pretty sure it is 8 bits, which has a maximum value of 2^8 - 1 = 511.


Well that solves that, thank you for the information.

How did you find that value by the way?


edit: Would it be possible to change arrows to 1x2 or 1x1 instead of 1x3 then?

I think it came up a few years ago when people were having this same conversation. I tried to find verification online, but a quick 5 minute search failed me.

I believe the arrows or bolts can be made any size. It might look a bit weird being only 1 square, but it would be very convenient.

Personally I wouldn't mind if there weren't any arrows, bolts, or durability in the game. Running to town to buy more arrows or fix my gear does not bring me joy.


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Personally I'm fine with arrows being how they are since eth bows can be used with no consequences. If durability on the bow was actually affected then I could understand wanting some sort of replacement. As it is, needing to carry a few stacks of arrows in the cube for bosses and the like easily balances out the durability issue on bows.


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Could put a few backup's in your cube and just pack it around... worse comes to worse, open your cube and refresh your stack.

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How about this for arrows to make them worth picking up...

Ability to craft a set of 500 to add to the bow, arrows that come with a magic ability to them, or rare arrows just like any other rare item. Imagine the possibilities, expecially if the arrows could repair 1 in 30 seconds.


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crew82 wrote:
How about this for arrows to make them worth picking up...

Ability to craft a set of 500 to add to the bow, arrows that come with a magic ability to them, or rare arrows just like any other rare item. Imagine the possibilities, expecially if the arrows could repair 1 in 30 seconds.


Sweet, then we can make phys zons that much more OP.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:39 pm 

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WolfStar wrote:
crew82 wrote:
How about this for arrows to make them worth picking up...

Ability to craft a set of 500 to add to the bow, arrows that come with a magic ability to them, or rare arrows just like any other rare item. Imagine the possibilities, expecially if the arrows could repair 1 in 30 seconds.


Sweet, then we can make phys zons that much more OP.


It's just an idea :)


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