So we're talking 9 spears total? I can look at the uniques and overhaul them if we go this route. Just let me know. Also nice to see you back Baerk
we missed you.
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| Author: | LockDown [ Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Impale-zon |
I rolled an Impale zon and got her to A5 Hell before I gave up on the build. It has a lot of issues mainly the lack of MDR and Life it can get. The problem with fixing the attack speed is that it has such an insane amount of ED% that things can quickly get out of hand. The solution would be a zon life buff when using 2 handed spears (a la strategy) but it's a nightmare to code in and would take a bit of time. |
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| Author: | SvF-Cagematch [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Impale-zon |
LockDown wrote: I rolled an Impale zon and got her to A5 Hell before I gave up on the build. It has a lot of issues mainly the lack of MDR and Life it can get. The problem with fixing the attack speed is that it has such an insane amount of ED% that things can quickly get out of hand. The solution would be a zon life buff when using 2 handed spears (a la strategy) but it's a nightmare to code in and would take a bit of time. Could you not simply give all two handed amazon spears an auto mod of +%life? Because that means editing what? Six items? |
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| Author: | JnDmX [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Impale-zon |
SvF-Cagematch wrote: LockDown wrote: I rolled an Impale zon and got her to A5 Hell before I gave up on the build. It has a lot of issues mainly the lack of MDR and Life it can get. The problem with fixing the attack speed is that it has such an insane amount of ED% that things can quickly get out of hand. The solution would be a zon life buff when using 2 handed spears (a la strategy) but it's a nightmare to code in and would take a bit of time. Could you not simply give all two handed amazon spears an auto mod of +%life? Because that means editing what? Six items? This. +1 |
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| Author: | Baerk [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Impale-zon |
Not a bad idea but you have to consider that uniques and sets do not get automods (which means all the uniques for the spears would have to be overhauled as well for sure which isn't too many items to edit still atleast). |
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| Author: | LockDown [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Impale-zon |
Then you give the life buff to every class if you do every spear. The problem is with spear zons not any other class that uses the weapon. |
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| Author: | Baerk [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Impale-zon |
That's the point of giving it just to the class specific spears. To specifically help the build that's ailing without giving an unnecessary buff to everyone else. |
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| Author: | LockDown [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Impale-zon |
So we're talking 9 spears total? I can look at the uniques and overhaul them if we go this route. Just let me know. Also nice to see you back Baerk we missed you.
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| Author: | SvF-Cagematch [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Impale-zon |
Still an easier solution to the problem. |
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| Author: | LockDown [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Impale-zon |
No it's a band-aide for the class. It needs MDR because it lacks it moreso than other classes. If you use it as a main attack it really needs MDR and PDR because the boss is going to hit you EVERY time you attack. More life to juv isn't a solution it's a band-aide. |
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| Author: | Baerk [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Impale-zon |
I could see lacking DR/MDR compared to a barb. Would you care to explain how they would lack compared to druids and paladins as well? |
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| Author: | LockDown [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Impale-zon |
Druids and Din's don't lose Defense when they attack which is also part of the defense formula that is more important than life. |
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| Author: | SvF-Cagematch [ Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Impale-zon |
LockDown wrote: No it's a band-aide for the class. It needs MDR because it lacks it moreso than other classes. If you use it as a main attack it really needs MDR and PDR because the boss is going to hit you EVERY time you attack. More life to juv isn't a solution it's a band-aide. PDR and MDR = not so useful against bosses. Against some attacks yes, but does it really matter that you're being hit for 2.9k instead of 3k? Not to mention most magical attacks ignore defense and blocking anyways... |
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| Author: | PureRage-DoD [ Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Impale-zon |
PDR and MDR don't depend on defense. There are only a few spells that deal 1 single sygnificant blow: Meteor psy hammer mindblast PDR/MDR is also applied before resists so if you have 100PDR and take a 100 damage hit with -100% resists you take 0 damage They are applied every frame so 100 MDR > 2500 DPS DoT. When people say they got 1 shot, its usually a combination of lots of hits all at once. PDR/MDR is a first line of defense against stuff that don't miss. You could get well over 230 MDR/PDR last patch and that made you immune to pretty much everything including hell diab's flamewave. PDR/MDR is still > pretty much anything in norm and nm and all hell trash as long as you can keep it roughly = your level *2 |
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| Author: | SvF-Cagematch [ Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Impale-zon |
And most magical attacks aren't blockable or defendable anyways, which means the impale zon isn't any worse off than anyone else. That leaves physical attacks, which on bosses are going to overpower flat DR. |
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| Author: | PureRage-DoD [ Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Impale-zon |
You should deff go for DR% too. I actually used 2 sets of interchangable gear on my spear zon. 1 set with all safety crafts diamonded for 220 PDR/MDR and 120k def after FA proc 1 Set with all DR% and leech with diamonds for massive def and 40%+ DR. Top set for trashing, diab, meph, seal bosses etc. Bottom set for shit like the ancients, darkness, baal, amon and duriel |
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| Author: | LockDown [ Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Impale-zon |
I didn't say the defense was important against elemental attacks. Spearzons are fun but they're about the least useful melee class once you hit Hell A4. |
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