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@Steel, nobody said it took 15 mins, diablo took about 3 minutes and baal's waves took at most 90 seconds each. decoy on top of baal = no IM on you. In elemental teams, there will always be 1 element doing nothing, they can just stand on top of baal and suck up the curses too.
Ok, so melee is fine, just need to get a lot of stuff that normally drops in hell or higher acts to be worth it. + I said nothing about baal. Just because I haven't played fury doesn't mean I haven't played any melee... I was playing my phoenix sin early this ladder and Diablo in 4ppl game took 15min if not more, Dclawing, meteoring etc. we had dec, bo, oak, 7.5k hp total. Barb was 3 screen away because Diablo was switching to him for some reason.
Don't listen to Lockdown about his gores procing amp. He's a noob
I told him many times I'm switching to atma yet he thought he was procing it. But it's end of the line for now. Fury is in a3 hell, everything is unbreakable. Got fucked up by having to max OAK in addition to HoW so It's lycan fury how oak build so far, still have points left.
PureRage-DoD wrote:
Kinda surprised you think nm is hard for melee though. decrep charges can take you through it all easily.
I said it's hard??? I said about act bosses only which are unbalanced phys oriented vs other subbosses. Sorry but if you kill most of the bosses, entire council spire even SS blizz dude that takes 10 dmg per kill, then meph hits you for 1k(his little ghost 400dmg) and you don't leech, you can't keep your spirits up, and he drains all your mana then something is wrong. I wasn't aware of that and it seems like it's better to just cast oak/wolfs and let casters do this.
OK, topic can be ignored/closed. I don't want to be called that I'm a noob who want to make game more easier bcos nm is walk in the park of melee already.
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People are only untwinked for the first week, tops.
I'm not so sure about this but let it be. How about guys that start the game. Should they get all hell equip just to feel how this game is easy?
What? the melee gear i used had the ability to drop from the area i was using it it. I switched to the level 70 zon pike in nm act 3 and guess what, another dropped in trav like 30 mins later... Sure she had decent gear but nothing crazy, it was all crafts and gems that were easy to make. 4 people taking 15 mins on diablo is embarrassing butit's happened to me before with a few people in the group randomly running around doing nothing or exiting because they didn't bring any spare reds... an organised duo makes a complete joke ofthe mod in norm and nm though even 2 melee's. + you had oak and bo??? wow. lol.
level 22 bo only is plenty in norm and nm if you set the char up for survival + damage at the same time.
Act bosses are not hard for 2 melees without a necro in NM. Thats what you are saying, the reality is they are easier for 2 melees than they would be for 2 meteor sorcs. Why is everyone procing amp when you can proc decrep for better phys piercing ability anyway and the slow/weaken effect. Jeez just use charges of it, thats more than enough.
I'm not lisening to lockdown, i'm not listening to anything from these boards anymore, its just a complete mess of a place. I'm just letting you know that melee's have a perfectly easy time killing bosses in nm. Not as fast as a caster, but a caster is squishy, a melee isn't. I don't think a melee should kill as fast as a caster, but a caster also shouldn't tank like a melee.
Meph killed your spirits? so recast, it happens. cast it behind you instead of behind him (making it walk past him is a bad idea). If you want to hide in a corner spamming wolves in nm thats fine, you should maybe take a look at how he is set up and make some adjustments as I tanked him in nm with a 4k life zon (after bo).
I said people are only untwinked for the first week. Are you suggesting that once someone has played for a week or so, they don't hand down everything they don't need to their next chars??? They do and everyone knows they do. The only time you are trully untwinked is on your first play through with your very first char. Actually, if you start from scratch, its still crazy easy to get twinked by trading a few gems or just visiting the LLG thread. Don't pretent folks still play untwinked outside of organised partys with no twinking rules etc.
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