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I don't know. Maybe when you or Blue can form a decent argument against why Oak needs nerfed then someone in the community will listen. So far I've nothing but blunt rambling from you and Blue. It's pretty sad actually.. and disappointing. I'd expect more from you PureRage but you've lost some points of respect here. I'm going to clearly explain why your wrong.
first off, reel your attitude in, i'm not arguing here, i'm giving my opinion just like you are
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It isn't simply close ranger casters who are affected first of all. Elemental zealers, melee javazons, vengeance paladins and there are more in the list but the point is NOT one class or CHARACTER is affected by the game. EVERYTHING IS and that is including tanks. The effect on LoS area will be devastating for people who actually try to do it legit. Not everyone EXPLOITS. And steels Post brought out a good point on a bug.
melee javazons? you mean like my old one that ran with no oak and only died due to my stupidity and over confidence against massive stacked blizz?
Who exploits btw? I hope thats not directed at me as out of the 2 of us, i have a much better track record so don't pull that shit.
FYI LoS is all about avoiding damage not having enough hp, no amount of hp will save you in there (you didn't see what happened when i tried to melee the necro with ~40k hp and you didn't see the sin 1 shot a kicker with 30k life. Don't bring LoS into the argument when the ones that actually do damage do it in a 1 hit kill fassion).
Ps. also, oak is only useful when the person using it is paying attention
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As far as Nova sorcs. I have a hard time believing with self BO that you "raped." And solo at that especially. In an area like Tundra or A4 RoF. You are also only talking about "trash" areas. What about bosses? What about the more difficult areas in the game? Citadel, Samhain, LoS, Cleft, and Baal. It isn't just based off 1-2 trash areas. You have to think GLOBALLY here. This is a change has a GLOBAL effect.
Lmao, you didn't see her for a start. it's hard not to rape when you can kill stuff before it reaches you, nova is a trashing build but you can still solo non immune bosses just by teleporting around with 75k t storm.
Citadel? seriously? I used to solo ancients way > sammy tp with my fire sorc with no bo at all. A2 merc with ice javs + medusas >>> any trash mob, including chargers with amp.
The rest is just you being stupid. can your fire druid solo the baal quest yet..?
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Have you played a windy druid this ladder? They are very poor at killing and how do you expect to kill without enigma? You have to teleport ONTO the enemy in order for your merc to cast AMP and kill effectively. Killing from the distance like you propose for a Windy druid is like Blue talking about adding 100 stat points because he can't block. The hurricane on a Windy has VERY LOW cold pierce. What can it kill from the distance?? Are you joking me? A windy at distance is INEFFECTIVE. You don't know what your talking about.
1: what has eni got to do with kill speed?
2: you dont have to teleport onto an enemy for your merc to cast amp. You do realise you can attack while your merc closes the gap to the enemy and casts amp for you don't you?
3: Killing from the distance i proposed? Oh right, you mean like i killed every boss in the game on my old windy with jarl tanking on his barb last patch? Don't bring boss phys res or any of that shit into it as thats old news and don't change the fact that you score a double hit from a good distance away if you get your positioning right.
4: Nobody said hurricane kills stuff at a distance, maybe you should read my post propperly before you get all pissed off and start crying (like usual). I said its a nice line of defence as it slows the stuff that gets close enough to melee you so you take less damage...
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Let's not forget. Nerfed Abs, Nerfed access to block, and nerfed Stress accessibility has ALREADY over all weakened EVERY caster. Nerfing their viability even more so and they end up like MELEES in which Blue then comes around and says "OK WHOOPS I made a mistake" OH wait he never admits his mistakes but he'll say add a change to try and fix what hes blatantly fucked up. Kind of like with melees?
wait, what elemental skills are you talking about? the only elemental spell that is dangerous now is blizz, everything else is complete garbage. Meteor is easy to avoid, and the other "big hitters" are DoT skills that get wtf raped by MDR (40 MDR = 1000 DPS Negated incase you didn't realise (apparently you didnt).
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Now watch Mindsins. Who now will have access to an easy 100+ % pierce and be able to wear War compiled with Phys/Mag nerfed on bosses and a huge damage boost will end up becoming the build and then Blue will come back around and say "WHOOPS" gotta nerf them too!
Wait, didn't abominae propose the mindblast changes? I think they needed a buff personally, if you think they are fine then speak up and maybe the changes can be reverted.
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By the way, do you honestly think people are going to max Oak and 1 pt lycan on a firestorm or hurricane druid?? You think people will pass up double the life on lycan to max oak?
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Everyone will end up maxing Lycan which will end up being an ACTUAL life buff for Hurricane/Armageddon Druids.. of course.. blue is too stupid to see that. Oh yeah. It's also DEMOTING parties HUGELY.
I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that people will continue to max oak. If you think that you are being stupid and I assume you are not actually interested in discussing it and would rather spew a huge stream of complete bullshit "facts" that you have no idea of.
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By the way PureRage talking about a Nova sorc you had before Blue initialized his Rape the game patch doesn't count. Nova sorcs could hit block easily before Blues nerfs came along. And i'm 99.9% you don't have a Nova sorc this ladder.
I had 0% chance to block on that sorc so the nerfs wouldn't matter. It would just make it easier to hit max damage and I would be able to use more mana/life charms and gain alot more life.
Finally, at the start of the season, you didn't even know the most basic of things about HU, (asking extremely basic questions about D2 mechanics in a game, i actually thought you were sasko/kasia until someone told me you were running with ben).
If you take a look at my last post, you will see I was trying to get into a discussion with zak about close range casters and i even said I was a little concerned for melee sins. I certainly wasnt getting into an argument. You decided to ride in like the white knight on your piece of shit donkey steed with a huge flame post. Next time, try replying to me like a grown up or just don't reply to me at all. Those rage posts are extremely childish and I've read enough of that shit. You ALSO missed:
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Idea, what about leaving it at 3% but giving HoW/SoB 1% hp buff per soft point in oak. That way those unused spirits may get some action and it aleviates the drop in % with a bigger party.
I don't really care what is done, it would just be nice to not check in to the forums and see a massive ongoing argument every time.
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Oh yeh, but opening the floor to 2 skills that are NEVER used outside of a 1 pointer is a fucking terrible idea.
"I WANT MOAR DMGZ AND LIFEZ AND DEFZ AND ITAMZZZ"
jesus fucking christ
Ps. I already said, i don't really care if it gets nerfed or not. also, i'm not defending the change. I'd actually rather all the spirits synergised each other and could be summoner at the same time. I also think druid summons need a massive damage buff. I stopped posting stuff here due to the shit storm that your post reflects though. Thats also why i decided to not get involved in implementing changes this time around too.