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 Post subject: eth paladin shield RW/. meele shield RW's
PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 9:39 pm 

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lets make some. Are eth pally shields useful even ?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:20 pm 

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nope. none of the shield RW's are inde.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:10 pm 

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Rebel, he meant that we should make up some that might get implemented if they're balanced(well they might if those in charge think it would be good).

Well you could take a eth pala shield without sockets and imbue it and just reroll it untill you get like repairs durability every 30 sec or something like that.

Should the rw be an offensive rw or a defensive? it kinda feels like since its a paladin shield it should have some kind of aura on equip. Question is wich one :P

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:56 pm 

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conc could be cool for hamerdins/zealers,or fanta depending on how meele fix goes

eth rare paly shields would suck compared to the uniuqe pally ones or even other uniques.

palys already have good defense but offense is useless so far till we know what happens with phys problem


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:32 pm 
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Based on feedback from a different post where I discussed Dragon, here is a melee shield runeword:

Victory (Ber Mal Sol)
+2 to All Skills
Resist All +25%
+300-400% Enhanced Defense
+500 Defense
40% Faster Block Rate
+30% Increased Chance of Blocking
Level 20 Might Aura when Equipped
Curse Duration Reduced by 6%
Magic Damage Reduced by 15
Damage Reduced by 10

+500 defense could be swapped out for Indestructible.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:40 pm 

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I like that one blue, if it had indestructible :D

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:00 pm 

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for a barb it would need more faster block like 90% to get him past his handicap even. and maybe first break point.

still think it needs some on struck/strike curses or o skills, ctc BoS amp etc this would be a zod shield RW

zod ber ber cham or zod ber jah cham would be nice natural mods for a shield

is 6% curse reduce even noticeable?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:03 am 
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BoS on anything other than a Sin is very sketch to me... I don't think I remember seeing anything having it.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:15 am 
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Void has ctc BoS, really nice RW.

What shield dins/druids/zons/barbs/anyone need? OP didn't specify wtf, just said to do a shield. Only 2 build need new shield - berserk/impale - with huge pdr/block rate to cover 0% def at least with 50% block. Other than that shields are useless for dins - holy shield + anything = 75% block + extra 40k def, dscale/alma even zaka are ok. Druids has their new shields for mid/end game, zons switch to hhg eventually, zons use hhg/dragon/staffs. So I ask. Why doing a zod rw shield just for making a zod rw shield while it's not needed, to unbalance game even more?


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Do you block while using berserk? Not that it'd matter for the build with the severe gimping of shield barbs. More variety in shields for sub-caster melee builds would be nice to see but probably not necessary at this point. One hander barbs could probably use a shield with enough faster block rate to overcome the hurdle using a Zod runeword. The lack of diversity in the shields is what I see most builds use HHG just like most builds on vanilla used Spirit. By expanding the number of available shields with different mods and not just the same ones thrown somewhere else we can make the builds a little bit different and not all the same gear wise.

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Any worthy HR Shield Runeword has to have at least 86% Faster Block Rate, otherwise every class (except Paladin, as Holy Shield gives FBR) will be blocking very slow and it would be better just to Amethyst a unique shield (HHG or Ward).

86% FBR is pretty much the magical number for all classes (except Druid in Bear Form) and gives every class their most feasible FBR break point. With only 40% FBR available on a Shield, only Sin, Ama, and Pal are hitting any sort of decent FBR break point. Those three happen to have the fastest block in the game (A Paladin will Holy Shield active is the fastest blocker barnone though)

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A barb would need more than 86% I would think to even be close to a decent FBR break point wouldn't he?

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Some good feedback, especially the block numbers. How about this then:

Victory (Ber Mal Sol Shael)
+2 to All Skills
Resist All +25%
+300-400% Enhanced Defense
90% Faster Block Rate
+30% Increased Chance of Blocking
Level 20 Might Aura when Equipped
Indestructible
Curse Duration Reduced by 6%
Magic Damage Reduced by 15
Damage Reduced by 10

That should set Zons & sins at a 2fr block rate, and paladins at a 1fr block rate. I don't see a big benefit to giving zons a high block speed, but oh well. I am kinda surprised a sin would consider losing claw block too. Mostly, I just see the value in giving paladins a 1fr block rate.

Druids, necros and barbs can suck it up. With might aura, this is more offense oriented anyways. You want good defense, go with a different shield.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:00 pm 

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how come bers dont give dr% in shields any more, 6% doesnt do anything for curse duration does it? Or maybe they never did in this mod and im mistaken probably. Dr% needs to be on the shield if its meele 15-20% maybe

zod cham jah jah would be nice, CBF, and 200life/mana and indestructible

rather have ctc amp/decrep on strike/struck than resist all, resists are easy to get if you can get hrs.

i mean my lvl 67 necro in HELL had mostly max resists in random hand me down gear

a paladin/magic/offesnive one would have like lvl 15 conc on equip and some magic piece -15-20% +2 all skills [and +1 to +4 def or offensive auras maybe] same as above zod jah jah cham etc


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If going for a pure offensive orientated shield the ED on this should be switched to enhanced damage similar to phoenix. The only offensive stat on the shield is the might and +2 skills maybe give it CTC Amp or Decrep on struck like Blink said. Nothing outrageous like a level 4 amp 15% chance?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:24 pm 

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Nice suggestion for a shield by Blue but would have to use higher runes. Ber + Cham or something like that.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:08 pm 

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if going cham need better mods , res all isnt needed, dr% is needed for meele or ctc amp decrep or conc aura
take out res all, add 15-20DR%
or flat 50-100/50-100 mdr pdr
or sorbs a nice add
that much enhanced defense isnt really needed either, enhanced damage would be nice


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Not sure if having that Shield + Last Wish would stack the Might. L20 might is a lot to put on a shield for just a Ber rune. Cham = can't be frozen as well which would be perfect for that shield.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:27 am 

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Half agree, could use some %dr, no need for the +2 skills and lose the might aura (offensive aura's on shields?? cmon...)


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Draped wrote:
(offensive aura's on shields?? cmon...)

You haven't ever crafted a holy shield?

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Pretty sure it's the same as a massive amount of ED from a shield like a Phoenix.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:21 am 

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Sorry, I just dont like the idea of an offensive shield, except maybe for a smiter, but whatever.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:19 am 
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It was something specifically requested here: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3650 So I put it together.

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i like it but they need DR% not resists cham jah jah/zod/shael would be good runes to use as they grant good mods anyways


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Moving to another topic.

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