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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:53 pm 
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Rolling an HDin to clear trash.

So far have it worked out to

+4 Combat Craft Diadem (112 Life 71 Mana 53 LR 20 Res All 31 FHR 31 All Res 4 OS has 4 Bloodstones.)
2/-10 Zak (Or 3 Combat 4 Medi Ammy)
1 Pally 20 FCR 112 Life Ring
Wisp
Caster Boots
Soul Drainers
Temps(? Idk what to throw in it)
DScale (No idea what to throw in it)
Astreons/Heavens Will

I'll be maxing Holy Bolt Blessed Hammer Fist Conc and Prayer o.O (105 Total with one into Holy Shield).

Just looking for socket suggestions and any better ideas.

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Man, useless crap ftw, like all my chars...


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id much rather go enigma , tele is usefull , if your goin templar then my suggestion would be bloodstones for more hp , get max block as well

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use sur runes and magic facets too.

u can place ammies in dscale ( i think) for easy max block


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surs everywhere!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:42 am 
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Going Enigma build. Helm has 4x BloodStones now. Gonna prolly Ether the shield depending on my res. Just have to find a +3 Prayer +3 BH White Scepter.

I specialize in the useless Snak.

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Thats why we have jay and gary.

So we can build useless shit, barbs, phys sons mmm...


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Next idea Volcano Boulder Bear Geddon.

Max Geddon Volcano Boulder Bear Oak

Crafted 2 Druid 3 Bear 3 Geddon/Cano Antlers ( Cuz mad sex appeal)
Enigma
Mother Natures
Zak Ammy
Need to pick up Mad FCR From rings so caster rings
Arach
Treks
Zak Ammy.
Warrivs :(
Geddon Unfortunately :(

Unhappy with the wep and shield in all honesty. Because of the lack of FCR which leads me to having to use caster rings. All of this because I love Volcano :lol:

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Man man, are we not tired of geddon now? =D

Gogo make summon druid / necro <3


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Man man, are we not tired of geddon now? =D

Gogo make summon druid / necro <3


I'm leaning toward Hoto over Geddon you just don't know Snak lol.

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Well cano druid is to "usefull" you need to make something more crappy.

Like, hmm.

Melee sorc tank!


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I can do it.. you doubting me homo?

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Hm? Hoto better than horrizons tornado or wizspike?
You don't need high fcr on fire spells other than firestorm.


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Steel wrote:
Hm? Hoto better than horrizons tornado or wizspike?
You don't need high fcr on fire spells other than firestorm.


Hoto is horrizons tornado? or :O

Dont FCR count on cano and shit?

I dont doubt you can make cano druid, i doubt you can make pro melee chantress sorctank :D<3


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hoto = heart of the oak... like for last 20years
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I dont doubt you can make cano druid, i doubt you can make pro melee chantress sorctank
I've made a vulcano druid this ladder - 1/20/20/20/20 fire and 20oak. I've rebuilt him after getting baal done... to 20 firestorm and fcr/close combat gear (wyrmscale with 3x moonstone diamonds for example)


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Man, Good thing i haven played this game for the last 20 years then? :D

But ye, horrizons tornado as i meant and thougt of seems like an or better option?

So dont get lock should talk about heart of the oak :p

BUT then again, 1 hp recast oak dude talking and I am way in over my head sometimes and pretending like i know something :p


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Eh it's a Shaman build I used in PK on LoD lol.

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=D

Guess melee sorc is my next then lol! :D

So what did you mean with hoto btw? :D


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snakzz wrote:
=D

Guess melee sorc is my next then lol! :D

So what did you mean with hoto btw? :D


wait for the ww sorce. it is a very fun build.


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Lockdown, you should go one of those:

Tiger Strike charges + Dragon Talon Sin (Numbers get really high, damage doest)
Hydra Sorc
Leap attack barbarian (Again, numbers are high, damage is not. Also, hit and run, hit again)
100% summon tree druid (yeah, no lycan. Hardmode)
Curses necro + 1pt Golems + max GMast (at least you have a team huh)
Immolation Arrow zon (stack those fire patches buddy)
Avenger pally (Max conv, Vengeance, 1 pt HS, all you can on the holy auras for veng syn. Run Vengeance and Conviction, pray for your gods you can kill something).

Those should complete your rack of fun but useless chars (except golem curse necro, he is NOT fun and is useless alone. Most boring stuff in the planet)

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Erm... Immozon is not useless. Fully capable of killing all non FI bosses quite safely and clears trash at a very respectable rate.

Hydra sorc is also pretty decent. Maybe if folks didn't compare everything to fully kitted out level 99 chars all the time, ideas would be more varied.

Whats that old saying? "If it's not OP, its useless."

Yeh thats it.

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PureRage-DoD wrote:
Erm... Immozon is not useless. Fully capable of killing all non FI bosses quite safely and clears trash at a very respectable rate.

Hydra sorc is also pretty decent. Maybe if folks didn't compare everything to fully kitted out level 99 chars all the time, ideas would be more varied.

Whats that old saying? "If it's not OP, its useless."

Yeh thats it.


I'm sorry if i expressed myself wrong, i was listing fun and not very common builds, and i know they are not 100% useless, just outclassed by others.

I do like making them. My first char was a psn zon due to the ease of farming, which has paid out. (Well, with a HUGE help from some people).

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Overkill wrote:
Those should complete your rack of fun but useless chars (except golem curse necro, he is NOT fun and is useless alone. Most boring stuff in the planet)

Hm, dunno if alone but I've played golemmanster from start to a4 hell without a single rush and he was fun and very useful. Alone on hell he's a beast too. Golems aren't that bad, they killed hatestorm np, full council. Try killing hatestorm with melee and with just dec from an item ;-).

I guess I'll give a shot hydra sorc... 4th sorc omg... but that build seems to be good in 2-3 ppl games.


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aah, unused builds huh? I could maybe get in to this kinda topic.

Probs the most fun build I played was my old convertadin

I made a sanctuary zealer at the start of last ladder so had a strong conversion, drrod was wondering what they could do with a pure conversion pally behind them (as a joke) and i decided to build one and try it.

I maxed conversion, sanctuary, fanat, convic and prayer.
Used an insight as main weapon in a +3 prayer +3 conversion scepter then switched it to hoto later. Aura I ran would depend on what type of converts I had at the time. Fana + chargers, or convic + frozen horrors for example. It was best to stick with 1 type of convert (elemental group or a melee group) so they always get the full benefit of your main aura. Medi kept my hp topped up and healed the minions decently.

You do need a good group of converts (20-30 can carry you through RoF easily) its kinda neat keeping an eye on your group of followers and watching for when they turn back so you can convert again before the group rips itself apart from the inside.

They make an amazingly strong minion bunch and its a super safe build with ele immune converts to tank for you. Quite surprising how fast they can rip through other enemy groups (its a game of numbers though, your group needs to outnumber the enemy group. However, if you are outnumbered, you can just go convert half the attacking group to increase the numbers in your favour.

Vs bosses you can convert all their minions (if its a sub boss with convertables like sszak/shenk/sarina) then switch to sanctuary, and zeal em, or convic (if you have a decent elemental setup on switch like wonder etc.) or fana if you need the speed.

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Ever made far with him? because on nm/hell converted guys can't kill anything in 10vs1 proportion. They have proportionally higher than damage they deal and conversion is capped @ 300% ed(which sux). It's like reanimates... I had nearly 10 chargers on hell charging one mob without luck.

Before reset etc I ran some tests with conversion + all auras 40lvl on wear and still, fully converted pack couldn't kill a fallen shaman.

They're godly tanks and can be used as thorns source. Cool


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made it to the end of nm with that one. Chargers with your fana + a witch convert behind them to cast amp helps alot. They attack slow though, i prefer blood lords etc for the faster attack + monfrenzy. Just the lifetap is abit annoying. You still do the attacking too though. Theres alot of aura swaping depending how many of each type you have (caster/melee). HoW from wisp helps too. (not SoB as when they unconvert, they hold the SoB aura for a sec or so and you can kil yourself with 1 attack on them like I did). The converts in act 1 are completely terrible though, you need to get the ones that deal decent damage then keep them with you and even then its not great damage, like I said, you do need a huge group with you. If you can get a really big group, then most of your time is spent keeping them all converted. That can also be fun though as if the group is that big, they should move at a decent rate.

Only problem is the very best enemys can't be converted (bummer)

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If I had a couple zods, I'd probably make a WW enchantress; 20 chant / warmth / mastery / tk / CA

Probably run with Hatred, War, Andy's Visage, Imm Flesh, 2 prayer sorc rings (just cuz I have them), Rising Sun, Blood Craft gloves and cast craft boots.

I think she would do plenty of dmg, the trick would be keeping her alive :). Would probably focus on health instead of mana due to melee mana burn.

I loved making melee sorcs on bnet, and when I saw the Hatred RW on HU I got all excited. I know I could make a chaos in a staff, but thats not nearly as cool!

If it weren't for melee mana burn I'd consider actually making it (if I had the zods), but for now I'll just have fun with her on SP.

If anyone has this on SC I'd love to see it ^^

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Converter actually sounds pretty fun. I'm looking into a tank sorc at the moment. I just haven't quite figured out how to make it work lol.

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I tried a ww/tank sorc last patch and didn't have much luck with her, made it to hell but hell bosses were just too much for her. An SC option is to max TK and get masses and masses of mana leech on gear. I tried one on SP with that setup and was able to tank the hell anya dragon, but ofc manaburn screws you over way too easily.

If you use teleport as a good defensive skill you can attack, teleport around the boss, attack, teleport around again. It's a pretty funky way to hold a boss, just a bit hit and miss. Plays like a frost/light nova sorc.

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Mana burn has been the main problem in figuring it out because ES and FA are really good tanking skills. I've been looking at a Bowadin too with fant and Eaglehorn I'm just not sure what kind of coverage I could get on it.

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PureRage-DoD wrote:
I tried a ww/tank sorc last patch and didn't have much luck with her, made it to hell but hell bosses were just too much for her. An SC option is to max TK and get masses and masses of mana leech on gear. I tried one on SP with that setup and was able to tank the hell anya dragon, but ofc manaburn screws you over way too easily.

If you use teleport as a good defensive skill you can attack, teleport around the boss, attack, teleport around again. It's a pretty funky way to hold a boss, just a bit hit and miss. Plays like a frost/light nova sorc.


sounds really fun ^^. I was thinking just as a show-off trash clearer, pretty impressive if u tanked anya dragon!


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I've been looking at a Bowadin too with fant and Eaglehorn I'm just not sure what kind of coverage I could get on it.


oo bowadin sounds fun! I think I'd make a Faith and max Holy Shock though! :D (would need those gloves for multi)

So, I actually did start making that enchantress. The cool thing is she is still an enchantress no matter what her gear is, so right now she's throwin all the leftover javs / axes that I made for my thrower, and I think eventually I'll put an eaglehorn on her with those gloves that give you multi... should do some good dmg :). Anyone done a thrower/bow enchanter? Any tips are appreciated

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Bow pally was my first ever HC char, woot!.

I used holy fire and kuko + razortail for the 100% piercing arrows. Absolutely ripped through trash at an awesome rate, 17-19k exploding arrows by act 5 NM with mediocre gear as it was my first char.

Got owned on NM ancients by the leaper tho, 1 leap while amped = 9khp gone.

They are a shockingly good "unused" build. You can get massive numbers once you get your gear faceted (the added fire damage on them alone is an insane damage buff as its added to the explosions too).

Shame theres no "fires freezing arrows" for a cold variant :(.

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Bow pally was my first ever HC char, woot!.

I used holy fire and kuko + razortail for the 100% piercing arrows. Absolutely ripped through trash at an awesome rate, 17-19k exploding arrows by act 5 NM with mediocre gear as it was my first char.

Got owned on NM ancients by the leaper tho, 1 leap while amped = 9khp gone.

They are a shockingly good "unused" build. You can get massive numbers once you get your gear faceted (the added fire damage on them alone is an insane damage buff as its added to the explosions too).


That sounds dope! gonna jack your build after (hopefully) the patch rolls out (6 points per level lol)

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Shame theres no "fires freezing arrows" for a cold variant :(.


Couldn't you run Holy Freeze for the same effect, or something with hit freezes target? Will 'exploding arrows' negate the cold/freeze?

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No, they wont negate it but the added cold damage etc isn't added to the explosion from the arrows. The beauty of exploding arrows is your holy fire damage + all fire damage on equip is added to the explosion. If you fire an arrow through 5 targets all bunched together you get your listed damage *5 on each of the targets within range of the explosions.

I used an act 5 wolf merc for the feral rage lifesteal, loaded him up with all the damage and leech I could and he was an amazing tank, able to hold all sub bosses pretty easily. Act bosses steamed him but thats to be expected.

Hmmmmmmmm:
Maybe you could move magicarrow to a new row in missiles.txt and move freezing arrow over the original magicarrow line. Then change the "Fires Magic Arrows" string to "Fires Freezing Arrows". I'm pretty sure the stat for fires mag arrows simply looks for the missile ID in missiles.txt

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Ha, is works perfectly. Should add this to the new patch IMO. It would just change the stuff with fires magic arrows to fires freezing arrows. I'd deff make a cold bow pally if this was added.

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Ps, you could replace the missile with any kinda missile you like,

"Fires a homing frozen orb of multishot lightning furys" for example. Thats just being stupid obviously but I'd like to see those 2 "Fires xxx" stats made more interesting.

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1024*768 once i release this next update. Doing alotta sidequest shit and adding level challenges etc. atm + redesigning the necromancer (again).

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I can fire frozen orbs....... do want....

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Lol, are you looking into tank sorc now?

And you think me and the others make a lot of shit chars :D:D


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Lol, are you looking into tank sorc now?

And you think me and the others make a lot of shit chars :D:D


Fact is I can make whatever I want because I'm the DPS :lol:

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Okey, my next char is psn druid lol.

If that aint working i will do a psn zon. I WILL DO DAMAGE, rambodamage.

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Okey, my next char is psn druid lol.

If that aint working i will do a psn zon. I WIL DO DAMAGE, rambodamage.

Moahah

work is fun :)


Gary is already doing it for me ;) don't worry snak you just have fun.

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what is gary doin? :)

Man next week of work, will have to finish all the char projects then (optimize them :D)
Need to farm alot of nith for all the shitty runewords :\


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snakzz wrote:
what is gary doin? :)

Man next week of work, will have to finish all the char projects then (optimize them :D)
Need to farm alot of nith for all the shitty runewords :\


What runewords do you need? I can start getting it all together.

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Man its a lot, wont bother you alone with it.

Barb is : Vengance, Faith, Victory
Amazon is : Faith, Woe (Sur Lo Sol) Holy freeze new rw, think that will be pro? :p

Hmm, cant remember is there was more, i have my list home.

Decided to go with tyreals or some other shit armors, war to expensive for both lol.
I feel its to much already :S

Have been starting to gather something :)

BTW, lets get druid and barb trough the rest later today :)


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Man its a lot, wont bother you alone with it.

Barb is : Vengance, Faith, Victory
Amazon is : Faith, Woe (Sur Lo Sol) Holy freeze new rw, think that will be pro? :p

Hmm, cant remember is there was more, i have my list home.

Decided to go with tyreals or some other shit armors, war to expensive for both lol.
I feel its to much already :S

Have been starting to gather something :)

BTW, lets get druid and barb trough the rest later today :)



A2 Merc? Ya Tyraels with Diamonds we plan on it just need to finish building my tele char so I can run solo baal. You have a faith sitting on your Druid you just need the base.

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Ya, act 2 might merc on zon
so she will have fanaticism, might, and frozen aura. Sounds like an awesome combo?:D

2 x act 2 merc lol, one for barb and one for zon.

Will mf run tundra and ancients to hell when zon is done, will prolly pick up a lot of shit then :)

Ya, what do you need for the tele char?


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Ya, act 2 might merc on zon
so she will have fanaticism, might, and frozen aura. Sounds like an awesome combo?:D

2 x act 2 merc lol, one for barb and one for zon.

Will mf run tundra and ancients to hell when zon is done, will prolly pick up a lot of shit then :)

Ya, what do you need for the tele char?



YOU NOT TO AFK ON HIM IN A4 WHILE THEY DO BAAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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snakzz wrote:
Ya, act 2 might merc on zon
so she will have fanaticism, might, and frozen aura. Sounds like an awesome combo?:D

2 x act 2 merc lol, one for barb and one for zon.

Will mf run tundra and ancients to hell when zon is done, will prolly pick up a lot of shit then :)

Ya, what do you need for the tele char?



YOU NOT TO AFK ON HIM IN A4 WHILE THEY DO BAAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Lol, had to do it to force you to do it with me <3
You know you love me:D


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Ha, is works perfectly. Should add this to the new patch IMO. It would just change the stuff with fires magic arrows to fires freezing arrows. I'd deff make a cold bow pally if this was added.

Ps, you could replace the missile with any kinda missile you like,

"Fires a homing frozen orb of multishot lightning furys" for example. Thats just being stupid obviously but I'd like to see those 2 "Fires xxx" stats made more interesting.


that would be fuckin legit!

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