So far it is, I made to wsk w/o problems. As I said it before reset, in skill testing thread, you can't feel melee nerf until hell as only there bosses/trash have high phys resistance, for nm any amp source would do.
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| Author: | stars [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Jab Zon |
Is it viable with the melee nerf, I'm rather scared to start one. |
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| Author: | Steel [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
So far it is, I made to wsk w/o problems. As I said it before reset, in skill testing thread, you can't feel melee nerf until hell as only there bosses/trash have high phys resistance, for nm any amp source would do. Stats:
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| Author: | Utter [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
Kevs jabber was a complete beast until she died by mass blizz counters from icon at nm baal. |
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| Author: | PureRage-DoD [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
ye, icon blizz + suffering blizz = not a good place to be for anyone. Relays barb only just made it outa that spot too. I took my eye off the ball, it could have easily been avoided if i wasn't so impatient. as a melee, the zon is deff putting out the best DPS. (spear barb is really really good too)     not bad for 2 melee's, was taking 4 casts of decrep from spellsteel per boss to kill them with 2 melee's Notice a decoy cast on top of baal when fighting darkness stops you getting amped / IM'd. Very handy |
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| Author: | stars [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
Thanks a bunch I'll get it started then. |
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| Author: | Ahhmyface [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
That's weird. My spearzon is significantly lower level and has a lot more damage. I will say this about spearzon/jabzon: My dps is sick, but I cannot tank to save my fucking life. I get regularly 1 shot by bosses in NM (i think i got 1 shot by 4 different ones in a2), even stacking 8 starstone diamonds. I've heard others say they don't have this problem, so I dunno. |
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| Author: | PureRage-DoD [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
Ahhmyface wrote: That's weird. My spearzon is significantly lower level and has a lot more damage. I will say this about spearzon/jabzon: My dps is sick, but I cannot tank to save my fucking life. I get regularly 1 shot by bosses in NM (i think i got 1 shot by 4 different ones in a2), even stacking 8 starstone diamonds. I've heard others say they don't have this problem, so I dunno. I play hc so I build for survivability over damage. all life charms, the level 70 zon pike for 50%hp and well stacked res + 24% damage reduction. You need more than just diamonds, they only take the edge off. Edit: remember not to ever run on a melee zon, not getting hit is her bread and butter and enemys have a 100% chance to hit you when you are running regardless of defence and even level. |
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| Author: | Ahhmyface [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
How does this run mechanic work? If I have run on, but I'm standing still jabbing, what happens? I mean all my attacks really make me hold still... so I don't see how this could effect. For sure though I've been 1-3 shot while standing still. What other effects does not running have? Decreased incoming dmg? Improved outgoing? Any effect on magic hit/dmg? |
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| Author: | PureRage-DoD [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
blocking is reduced to 1/3 also when running so you may have 75% block but you only have 25% when running and worse than 0 def. even though you are standing still attacking, as soon as the boss moves, you will run (maybe just for a split second) and it leaves you open to attack. |
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| Author: | stars [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
Do you bother using a decoy or valk with a jabber or do you invest those points elsewhere? |
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| Author: | PureRage-DoD [ Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
i maxed decoy from level 28 onwards then put 4-5 in valk. Skill placement went like this: max jab asap get 1 in all passive and mag skills (not DEA) and impale + fend max decoy and get 4-5 in valk max strategy rest into fend, then impale The Ar on fend and impale are so awesome you can just leave them 1 pointed for a long time and max strategy. |
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| Author: | Ahhmyface [ Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
stars wrote: Do you bother using a decoy or valk with a jabber or do you invest those points elsewhere? I, personally, don't. At least not yet. I'm speccing in crit, the fhr/uninterruptable, and the defense/ar passives. Also I've thrown a few points into inner sight to help group members with lower AR land their hits. 20 Jab 20 Impale 20 Fend 7 Crit 15 Strategy 5 (the other one..) 5 Inner sight. I'm still debating using decoy. I'm not convinced it will help much on bosses, and I really don't want it for trash (fend works better when surrounded). |
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| Author: | PureRage-DoD [ Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
Quote: I'm still debating using decoy. I'm not convinced it will help much on bosses, and I really don't want it for trash (fend works better when surrounded). decoy can tank any boss indefinately if you spend the points. Should last a good 15 secs before it gets killed and the cooldown is a hell of alot shorter than that. I used decoy on NM achmael and let our mercs kill him in complete safety. Also, a mana cost of 1 for a recastable tank is fantastic. |
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| Author: | Rasta [ Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
are there any viable jabzon+bowelement/jav element builds? Maybe 20 pnts into lite fury and have it on swap? or 40 into a fire or cold arrow? it can help greatly vs trash, and vs boss you pull the spear and spellsteel out. |
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| Author: | PureRage-DoD [ Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
you can just get any act 3 merc to trash for you. + skills are low on any good melee setup and pierce is nowhare to be found. |
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| Author: | Utter [ Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
I maxed both decoy and valk on mine, on HC that saved her ass quite alot. |
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| Author: | stars [ Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
Ahhmyface wrote: stars wrote: Do you bother using a decoy or valk with a jabber or do you invest those points elsewhere? I, personally, don't. At least not yet. I'm speccing in crit, the fhr/uninterruptable, and the defense/ar passives. Also I've thrown a few points into inner sight to help group members with lower AR land their hits. 20 Jab 20 Impale 20 Fend 7 Crit 15 Strategy 5 (the other one..) 5 Inner sight. I'm still debating using decoy. I'm not convinced it will help much on bosses, and I really don't want it for trash (fend works better when surrounded). Does inner sight stack with amp and curses? |
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| Author: | PureRage-DoD [ Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
yes |
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| Author: | Lord-Turin [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
yo i make jabb zon too and i still dont know whats my endgear think about this > skull craft helm ( atm my best craft is 19 ias 28 ed duallech and 15 dex ) emerald plate or War rw rubi craft boots ( got some with 50 run 7 ll... resist and more ) 1 x dualleech amythist craft ring , 1 x rubi craft or Buls rubi Craft amy or Metalsgrid ( highlords ? ) nosf. coil belt skull craft gloves ( atm i got some with 40 ias ed strg and some other crap ) Shield and Eth rolled ghost gleve later... because i dont need zod and dmg is good |
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| Author: | Utter [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
I used: Tyraels Eth destructor Grid Rends Gore riders Nos coil Veil of steel Worked really well, can't speak for this patch though. Full mancers weren't bad neither. |
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| Author: | PureRage-DoD [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
i'd probs use a power craft amu instead |
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| Author: | Lord-Turin [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
well whats with ias ? and i go shield / javelin... what is destructor ? what is with ias ? full mancer set yea i think about the same to use it but mmh the strg  gorerider = crap... = blood craft steelrend mmh strg ? no ias... maybe ur setup was good but what was with ias ? u got faith merc ? |
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| Author: | PureRage-DoD [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
devistator comes with fana on equip, you can hit the final breakpoints with ease using that |
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| Author: | Lord-Turin [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jab Zon |
aah ok the unique matriarch spear  yea its crazy but... i go shield what ias i need ? without fana greetings |
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