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 Post subject: Jab Zon
PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:07 am 
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Is it viable with the melee nerf, I'm rather scared to start one.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:47 am 
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So far it is, I made to wsk w/o problems. As I said it before reset, in skill testing thread, you can't feel melee nerf until hell as only there bosses/trash have high phys resistance, for nm any amp source would do.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:51 am 
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Kevs jabber was a complete beast until she died by mass blizz counters from icon at nm baal.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:07 am 
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ye, icon blizz + suffering blizz = not a good place to be for anyone. Relays barb only just made it outa that spot too. I took my eye off the ball, it could have easily been avoided if i wasn't so impatient.

as a melee, the zon is deff putting out the best DPS. (spear barb is really really good too)
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not bad for 2 melee's, was taking 4 casts of decrep from spellsteel per boss to kill them with 2 melee's

Notice a decoy cast on top of baal when fighting darkness stops you getting amped / IM'd. Very handy

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:31 am 
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Thanks a bunch I'll get it started then.


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That's weird. My spearzon is significantly lower level and has a lot more damage.

I will say this about spearzon/jabzon: My dps is sick, but I cannot tank to save my fucking life. I get regularly 1 shot by bosses in NM (i think i got 1 shot by 4 different ones in a2), even stacking 8 starstone diamonds. I've heard others say they don't have this problem, so I dunno.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:19 pm 
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Ahhmyface wrote:
That's weird. My spearzon is significantly lower level and has a lot more damage.

I will say this about spearzon/jabzon: My dps is sick, but I cannot tank to save my fucking life. I get regularly 1 shot by bosses in NM (i think i got 1 shot by 4 different ones in a2), even stacking 8 starstone diamonds. I've heard others say they don't have this problem, so I dunno.


I play hc so I build for survivability over damage. all life charms, the level 70 zon pike for 50%hp and well stacked res + 24% damage reduction. You need more than just diamonds, they only take the edge off.

Edit: remember not to ever run on a melee zon, not getting hit is her bread and butter and enemys have a 100% chance to hit you when you are running regardless of defence and even level.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:54 pm 

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How does this run mechanic work? If I have run on, but I'm standing still jabbing, what happens? I mean all my attacks really make me hold still... so I don't see how this could effect. For sure though I've been 1-3 shot while standing still. What other effects does not running have? Decreased incoming dmg? Improved outgoing? Any effect on magic hit/dmg?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:20 pm 
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blocking is reduced to 1/3 also when running so you may have 75% block but you only have 25% when running and worse than 0 def. even though you are standing still attacking, as soon as the boss moves, you will run (maybe just for a split second) and it leaves you open to attack.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:23 pm 
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Do you bother using a decoy or valk with a jabber or do you invest those points elsewhere?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:53 am 
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i maxed decoy from level 28 onwards then put 4-5 in valk.

Skill placement went like this:
max jab asap
get 1 in all passive and mag skills (not DEA) and impale + fend
max decoy and get 4-5 in valk
max strategy
rest into fend, then impale

The Ar on fend and impale are so awesome you can just leave them 1 pointed for a long time and max strategy.

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stars wrote:
Do you bother using a decoy or valk with a jabber or do you invest those points elsewhere?


I, personally, don't. At least not yet. I'm speccing in crit, the fhr/uninterruptable, and the defense/ar passives. Also I've thrown a few points into inner sight to help group members with lower AR land their hits.

20 Jab
20 Impale
20 Fend
7 Crit
15 Strategy
5 (the other one..)
5 Inner sight.

I'm still debating using decoy. I'm not convinced it will help much on bosses, and I really don't want it for trash (fend works better when surrounded).


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:40 pm 
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I'm still debating using decoy. I'm not convinced it will help much on bosses, and I really don't want it for trash (fend works better when surrounded).

decoy can tank any boss indefinately if you spend the points. Should last a good 15 secs before it gets killed and the cooldown is a hell of alot shorter than that. I used decoy on NM achmael and let our mercs kill him in complete safety. Also, a mana cost of 1 for a recastable tank is fantastic.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:02 pm 
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are there any viable jabzon+bowelement/jav element builds?

Maybe 20 pnts into lite fury and have it on swap? or 40 into a fire or cold arrow? it can help greatly vs trash, and vs boss you pull the spear and spellsteel out.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:09 pm 
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you can just get any act 3 merc to trash for you. + skills are low on any good melee setup and pierce is nowhare to be found.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:39 pm 
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I maxed both decoy and valk on mine, on HC that saved her ass quite alot.


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Ahhmyface wrote:
stars wrote:
Do you bother using a decoy or valk with a jabber or do you invest those points elsewhere?


I, personally, don't. At least not yet. I'm speccing in crit, the fhr/uninterruptable, and the defense/ar passives. Also I've thrown a few points into inner sight to help group members with lower AR land their hits.

20 Jab
20 Impale
20 Fend
7 Crit
15 Strategy
5 (the other one..)
5 Inner sight.

I'm still debating using decoy. I'm not convinced it will help much on bosses, and I really don't want it for trash (fend works better when surrounded).


Does inner sight stack with amp and curses?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:49 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:34 am 
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yo

i make jabb zon too and i still dont know whats my endgear

think about this >

skull craft helm ( atm my best craft is 19 ias 28 ed duallech and 15 dex )
emerald plate or War rw
rubi craft boots ( got some with 50 run 7 ll... resist and more )
1 x dualleech amythist craft ring , 1 x rubi craft or Buls
rubi Craft amy or Metalsgrid ( highlords ? )
nosf. coil belt
skull craft gloves ( atm i got some with 40 ias ed strg and some other crap )
Shield and Eth rolled ghost gleve later... because i dont need zod and dmg is good


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:44 am 
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I used:
Tyraels
Eth destructor
Grid
Rends
Gore riders
Nos coil
Veil of steel

Worked really well, can't speak for this patch though. Full mancers weren't bad neither.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:18 pm 
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i'd probs use a power craft amu instead

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:43 pm 
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well whats with ias ?

and i go shield / javelin... what is destructor ?

what is with ias ?

full mancer set yea i think about the same to use it but mmh the strg :(
gorerider = crap... = blood craft
steelrend mmh strg ? no ias...


maybe ur setup was good but what was with ias ? u got faith merc ?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:54 pm 
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devistator comes with fana on equip, you can hit the final breakpoints with ease using that

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:56 pm 
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aah ok the unique matriarch spear :-)

yea its crazy but... i go shield :-)


what ias i need ? without fana



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