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 Post subject: idea skill build in order for two chars please
PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:47 am 

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friend and i are walkin hc on the supposed best 2 man team.

windy druid
hdin

think i have got the idea for the druid down but just wanted make sure i wasnt missing anything on both chars

thanks fellas.

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 Post subject: Re: idea skill build in order for two chars please
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:27 am 
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Windy = 20oak, 81 ele(1 into arctic) + preq + every other summons.
Hdin = 60 hammers, 20 conc, every aura + rest into defiance.
Edit: See below


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:41 pm 

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Errr... don't you mean 20 into concentration? 20 into defiance is a waste considering holy shield gives the same defensive boost AND increases block (albeit very little with diminishing returns).


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 Post subject: Re: idea skill build in order for two chars please
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:07 pm 
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Right, 60 hammers + 20 conc + every aura + rest into defiance.
I totally forgot about conc.
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20 into defiance is a waste considering holy shield gives the same defensive boost AND increases block
That's not right. It's better to max synergy (same %def boost as hshield) and receive another %def boost from soft skills.


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 Post subject: Re: idea skill build in order for two chars please
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:53 pm 

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Wrong again!

Hshield and defiance give the same %def boost with no diminish returns. So unless you are actually deciding on using defiance (which isn't anything good here), then you don't gain anything from it. If both skills are giving 25% defense, and one gives block and the other gives nothing, why would you max it? Soft skills btw don't add as a synergy.

If hshield gives 25% defense and 1% block per level, and defiance gives 25% defense as a synergy, then:

20 hard points in hshield, 1 in defiance with +15 all skills gives 900% defense and 35% block.
20 hard points in defiance, 1 in hshield gives 900% defense and 16% block.

Like I said, waste to put into defiance unless you are actually using defiance.


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 Post subject: Re: idea skill build in order for two chars please
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:04 pm 

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I just did a test:

lvl 97 pally
2987 base defense
+10 all skills


- 20 into hshield, 1 into defiance --> 26883 defense, 46% block, 46 life regen
- 20 into defiance, 1 into hshield --> 26883 defense, 38% block, 38 life regen

Clearly superior. What situation are you running defiance in anyways? There's maybe one or 2 spots maximum where it could be useful, otherwise a res aura or just damage through concentration is superior. And even still, the diminishing returns on the usefulness of defense is huge. Slap on an absolute zero in your inventory and you're good to go.


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